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  • MMA_scientist
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2009
    • 9857

    Bendo has that guillotine choke though... so I am going to stay away from that. I am also staying away from the GSP fight.

    I am looking at

    Not McDonald by sub- just don't see Diaz getting subbed by anyone in the UFC. Even if he was caught, he wouldn't tap, so it woul have to be a technical submission.

    Not Machida by sub or not Randy by sub- this one COULD happen, but I doubt either man submits the other. Randy has been going for more submissions lately, so I would probably go "not machida by sub" which has better odds anyway.

    I think "not Pierson by sub" is doable. Ellenberger's grappling is not the most technical, but he has avoided being submitted by superior wrestlers and superior bjj artists. If Rocha and Pyle can't submit him, I doubt Pierson is going to.

    "Not Vlad by sub" is solid too. Brilz has shown solid submission defense and he has some nice subs of his own. The one guy that submitted him (Vince Fields) is the guy I first trained with way back in 2001. Vince is/was a really slick grappler even back then, way ahead of the curve. In 2001 he was a high level grappler, taking on Brilz who was probably just a wrestler. Also, Vlad doesn't have a lot of submissions... he really only has a couple of legit subs on his record.

    "Not Hominick by sub" is the last one. Aldo is legit on the ground, a lot of people don't know aabout his grappling, but if he would have stayed in sport bjj, he would probably be a very decorated grappler. He has some quality wins at the lower levels, he is a Nova Uniao bb (serious bizness), and if you believe the rumors he is giving guys like Cobrinha (multiple world champion) trouble on the ground. Anyway, Aldo's ground game may be better than his striking.


    So I am thinking, 5u to win 1.3u on:
    "not Hominick wins by sub/ not Machida wins by sub/not Matyushenko wins by sub/ not R.MacDonald wins by sub/ not Pierson wins by sub"


    I am only really concerned about the Diaz and Machida bets, just because McDonald and Machida both have good ground games. I am not worried about the others at all. Anyway, it is not a lock by any means IMO, but I think it is worth -380, which is what it comes out to.
    2012: +19.33
    2012 Parlay project: +16.5u

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    • MMA_scientist
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2009
      • 9857

      Done.
      2012: +19.33
      2012 Parlay project: +16.5u

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      • MMA_scientist
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2009
        • 9857

        Originally posted by Vandelay
        mmascientist most of the props are out now. Anything you like? I kinda like not pierson by sub (-2300), not matyushenko by sub (-1790), not macdonald itd (-575), not shields itd (-865), not couture itd (-1571), not henderson by sub (-565), and not hominick by sub (-2750). Out of those odds I like the not henderson by sub one the most.
        I like to keep it to submission props if possible, since I can look at a very narrow aspect of the game to detemine value. Occasionally I will throw an ITD prop or a round prop in with it though if I can't find anything else I like. I think I am ok with the bet I made though.
        2012: +19.33
        2012 Parlay project: +16.5u

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        • Vandelay
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 1934

          Good Analysis. That seems like a safe bet. I'm thinking the pierson bet has the most risk. He could rock Ellenberger, jump on his back, and choke him out. That seems pretty unlikely though.

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          • poopoo333
            MMA *********
            • Jan 2010
            • 18302

            I just made my first Scientist parlay with everything Scientist just broke down + "Not Shields in round 5" and "Not Bocek/Henderson goes to draw".

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            • MMA_scientist
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2009
              • 9857

              ^^ what did that add to the payout?
              2012: +19.33
              2012 Parlay project: +16.5u

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              • Thewisemann
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2010
                • 1989

                Wish all this shit didnt hasppen, i was gonna deposit and dump on GSP. My whole bankroll will have to be sufficient. Got my bro out today, $20,000 bond.

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                • poopoo333
                  MMA *********
                  • Jan 2010
                  • 18302

                  Originally posted by MMA_scientist
                  ^^ what did that add to the payout?
                  It's 3.5u to win 1u + 54 cents

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                  • poopoo333
                    MMA *********
                    • Jan 2010
                    • 18302

                    How much money do you have on GSP wiseman?

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                    • MMA_scientist
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2009
                      • 9857

                      Originally posted by Thewisemann
                      Wish all this shit didnt hasppen, i was gonna deposit and dump on GSP. My whole bankroll will have to be sufficient. Got my bro out today, $20,000 bond.
                      Wait to see if he wins before you lament it too much.

                      $20,000 cash? or Surety?
                      2012: +19.33
                      2012 Parlay project: +16.5u

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                      • MMA_scientist
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2009
                        • 9857

                        Originally posted by poopoo333
                        It's 3.5u to win 1u + 54 cents
                        So it took it down to about -351 from -380.
                        2012: +19.33
                        2012 Parlay project: +16.5u

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                        • poopoo333
                          MMA *********
                          • Jan 2010
                          • 18302

                          Originally posted by MMA_scientist
                          So it took it down to about -351 from -380.
                          Ok Mr. Mathematician

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                          • MMA_scientist
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2009
                            • 9857

                            Originally posted by poopoo333
                            Ok Mr. Mathematician
                            Pfft, it is probably wrong. Just trying to help out those who might consider following. That way we can all quantify the risk/reward of adding the 2 props.
                            2012: +19.33
                            2012 Parlay project: +16.5u

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                            • Thewisemann
                              Senior Member
                              • Feb 2010
                              • 1989

                              Had to give a bondsman $2,000
                              Originally posted by MMA_scientist
                              Wait to see if he wins before you lament it too much.

                              $20,000 cash? or Surety?

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                              • Thewisemann
                                Senior Member
                                • Feb 2010
                                • 1989

                                Originally posted by poopoo333
                                How much money do you have on GSP wiseman?
                                total, with parlays $2183. My units are $100. Damn near my whole roll. I have 5.1 straight on Machida, .9u on Stann and 3.22u on Overeem

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