UFC 129 toronto GSP-Shields

[zY|]

I'll at least give Ludo this: He went after it. He not only learned what the translation of "antibiotics" is and he re-watched the fight. That's a hell of a lot more than I'm willing to do.

My point was that he's being a pedantic jew about it. Just because the word that google translate gave him isn't audibly shouted in his ear doesn't mean a goddamn thing.

[Ludo]

The only reason I actually went back and rewatched was because all this "Jose was sick" stuff started coming out the day after and I didn't really believe it(as is the case with most things coming out of Ed Soares camp after the fact). I remembered Ed saying that he was putting on extra muscle because he'd been on a long layoff and when ya'll mentioned all this happening during the fight I got curious so I rewatched everything that happened between rounds and whatnot. My thing is though, if he didn't want to take anything away from Mark why say "I fatigued because I put on extra muscle lately" instead of "Mark was a great opponent, I give him all the credit tonight"? I don't get why this antibiotics thing didn't come out during the post fight press conference or in the interview.

I honestly think he underestimated Hominik here. He started believing his own hype and thought he could just tap his fist to Mark's cheek once and he'd go down. He may very well have been sick, but why he didn't say anything about it is a mystery. It's clear something was off from the start of the second round on, but given the fact that we saw Hominick neutralizing his ability to pass, or do much of anything other than land a few clean shots on the ground I'm more inclined to believe that he simply took this camp off so to speak. He did the Rampage thing because he thought he was invincible.

[zY|]

You have some good observations but I think the conclusions you draw from them are huge leaps in logic.

[Ludo]

My point was that he's being a pedantic jew about it. Just because the word that google translate gave him isn't audibly shouted in his ear doesn't mean a goddamn thing.

So we are to believe something was spoken, which is the entire hinge on the explanation for Jose's poor showing in terms of stamina, without any proof of it? I mean, if it isn't on the broadcast then where the fuck is it? Are we talking telepathy here? Maybe it's time to come off your high horse since your not offering an opinion or new information and stick to bitching vehemently about how the judges don't score rounds like you do.

[SPX]

Everyone says that it was obvious something was up at the beginning of the second round, but I didn't notice this. All I noticed was that Hominick was doing better.

Is it not possible that instead of Aldo underestimating Hominick and not performing to his ability . . . that the FANS underestimated Hominick and Hominick is just that good?

I mean, it's like if Aldo doesn't just crush someone then something was wrong with him. Like it's not possible that a fighter could be good enough to actually challenge him. To be honest, it sounds a lot like the "BJ wasn't motivated" talk.

[Ludo]

You have some good observations but I think the conclusions you draw from them are huge leaps in logic.

I readily admit I have no proof of anything other than nothing at all was ever said concerning antibiotics in the english broadcast of the pay per view. Then again nobody else does either(unless of course it was covered on the SAP broadcast, which I don't have access to). It just seems to fit from where I'm sitting. He came out like a bat out of hell, looked flat for the rest of the time, abandoned his bread and butter for half the fight, and did almost nothing befitting his supposed skill on the ground. He gasses about as hard as anyone I've ever seen. After the fight he rides on someones shoulders like some olympic medalist who defied the odds. Then he tells a reporter that he "eased up" on Hominik because he's a flamengo fan and loves the excitement( shown here: http://www.espn.co.uk/ufc/sport/stor...ml?CMP=OTC-RSS ). I personally think he had alot less respect than he should have for Mark and it showed.

[Ludo]

Everyone says that it was obvious something was up at the beginning of the second round, but I didn't notice this. All I noticed was that Hominick was doing better.

Is it not possible that instead of Aldo underestimating Hominick and not performing to his ability . . . that the FANS underestimated Hominick and Hominick is just that good?

I mean, it's like if Aldo doesn't just crush someone then something was wrong with him. It's not possible that a fighter could be good enough to actually challenge him. To be honest, it sounds a lot like the "BJ wasn't motivated" talk.

The flaw with that is that Aldo stopped throwing the leg kicks that would have ended the fight before round 4, probably before round 3 if he kept throwing them. He took Mark down repeatedly without any problems at all but what did he do to him there? They got stood up like 4 times. He started playing around like he's Anderson Silva bobbing his head around and urging Mark to keep throwing punches.

[zY|]

So we are to believe something was spoken, which is the entire hinge on the explanation for Jose's poor showing in terms of stamina, without any proof of it? I mean, if it isn't on the broadcast then where the fuck is it? Are we talking telepathy here? Maybe it's time to come off your high horse since your not offering an opinion or new information and stick to bitching vehemently about how the judges don't score rounds like you do.

I'm saying you don't speak the language so you don't know the nuances of it. Rarely do languages translate directly. A good translator extracts meaning, not word-for-word dictations as it simply doesn't work. The fact that the word Antibióticos doesn't literally come out of someone's mouth is indicative of nothing. Maybe he said a specific antibiotic by name, maybe he just referenced medicine in general and it was extracted in context. We don't know. It's not exactly relevant.

Considering his performance and the fact that his coach confirmed that he was sick, I don't really see the point in quibbling with the language. There is plenty of other circumstantial evidence that points to him being sick (referenced in this thread mostly). He was also coming off extensive rehab from a neck injury, which I haven't really seen mentioned. The fact is, there are plenty of factors that could lead to him looking gassed from the 2nd round on, enough that assuming he came into camp fat as shit and Rampaged it up is pretty unfounded.

[zY|]

I readily admit I have no proof of anything other than nothing at all was ever said concerning antibiotics in the english broadcast of the pay per view. Then again nobody else does either(unless of course it was covered on the SAP broadcast, which I don't have access to). It just seems to fit from where I'm sitting. He came out like a bat out of hell, looked flat for the rest of the time, abandoned his bread and butter for half the fight, and did almost nothing befitting his supposed skill on the ground. He gasses about as hard as anyone I've ever seen. After the fight he rides on someones shoulders like some olympic medalist who defied the odds. Then he tells a reporter that he "eased up" on Hominik because he's a flamengo fan and loves the excitement( shown here: http://www.espn.co.uk/ufc/sport/stor...ml?CMP=OTC-RSS ). I personally think he had alot less respect than he should have for Mark and it showed.

You could be right, but I wouldn't go off what he says to reporters. You have to give a lot of leeway with foreign fighters as the language barrier is huge.

[zY|]

The flaw with that is that Aldo stopped throwing the leg kicks that would have ended the fight before round 4, probably before round 3 if he kept throwing them. He took Mark down repeatedly without any problems at all but what did he do to him there? They got stood up like 4 times. He started playing around like he's Anderson Silva bobbing his head around and urging Mark to keep throwing punches.

Yeah he came out way slower in Round 2 and stopped throwing kicks at all. It's pretty noticeable if you watch both rounds.

[SPX]

I readily admit I have no proof of anything other than nothing at all was ever said concerning antibiotics in the english broadcast of the pay per view.

You also have to keep in mind that there could be multiple words for the same thing. That's the way languages go. Maybe the word they used wasn't "antibioticos" but some other word that indicates a medicine to fight illness.

Edit: ninja'd by zY

[SPX]

The flaw with that is that Aldo stopped throwing the leg kicks that would have ended the fight before round 4, probably before round 3 if he kept throwing them. He took Mark down repeatedly without any problems at all but what did he do to him there? They got stood up like 4 times. He started playing around like he's Anderson Silva bobbing his head around and urging Mark to keep throwing punches.

My question with this is that fighters recharge in between rounds . . . they don't gas in between rounds. So if he was keeping up a high work rate up to the end of the first, then he gets a break, then he comes out and looks like a different fighter, then it sounds like something other than gassing.

[zY|]

My question with this is that fighters recharge in between rounds . . . they don't gas in between rounds.

Carwin

[Ludo]

He definitely didn't do much recharging between rounds one and two. He spent most of it looking like a fish out of water and was taking some deep breaths before the second round started. All of a sudden he's not bouncing on his feet like he was, he's throwing the leg kick without any torque in his hips, he's getting tagged while he's doing it, and he's breathing with an open mouth a minute into the round still. Mark didn't start doing better until Aldo started showing signs of fatigue.

[SPX]

Carwin

Carwin was huffing and puffing on the way back to his stool, though.