Ufc 130

[SPX]

Who knows, but he's an ex-IFL champ, not your standard TUFfer. I figured that, like Kimbo, he had a special arrangement.

[poopoo333]

Who knows, but he's an ex-IFL champ, not your standard TUFfer. I figured that, like Kimbo, he had a special arrangement.

LOL, yeah, because Roy Nelson brings in the ratings/viewers like Kimbo does.

[SPX]

LOL, yeah, because Roy Nelson brings in the ratings/viewers like Kimbo does.

He has a fanbase and he fought in the IFL, EliteXC and Bodog before going on TUF. You can't pretend like he was on the same level, both in terms of skills and notoriety, as guys like Justin Wren or James McSweeney, who no one had ever heard of before the show.

[poopoo333]

Nevermind lol

[MMA_scientist]

Just rewatched Torres/Johnson. Torres got royally screwed. He DEFINITELY won rounds 1 and 3. Round 2 was close, but he won Round 2 as well. Judging in MMA is so aweful.

[Thewisemann]

I agree, I had rd 2 a 10-10, I had Torres winning 1 and 3. But I knew the were givin it to Johnson.

[MMA_scientist]

I agree, I had rd 2 a 10-10, I had Torres winning 1 and 3. But I knew the were givin it to Johnson.

I figured they would as well... at least the SD and Junkie agree with us. It is a serious problem. You can't even bet on who you think will win the fight, you have to bet who the judges will give it to. It is just so retarded. Torres probably hurt himself by attacking so much. Johnson wasn't doing much, had Torres just laid there, he probably would ave gotten some stand ups.

[Thewisemann]

Judging is attrocious

[SPX]

I wouldn't say that Torres got "royally screwed." It was a close fight. But I do think Torres won.

You can't let yourself be controlled like that, though. I do kind of agree with the logic that if you can't get up--if you are forced to stay where you are and can't determine where the fight goes--then you are losing except in rare circumstances. But with Torres's reversals, strikes from the bottom, and sub attempts I think he did enough to win.

[poopoo333]

After watching it without any distractions at BWW, I think Torres probably should have won too. Mighty Mouse got the TD in the 3rd and worked from the top, but Torres swept him into mount, a more dominant position, and was working for the sub for like 2 minutes.

[Thewisemann]

Torres won the fight. I scored it 30-28. Judges suck. I watched Phan/Garcia the other day, it was horrible, I hsve no idea how Garcia got that.

[MMA_scientist]

I wouldn't say that Torres got "royally screwed." It was a close fight. But I do think Torres won.

You can't let yourself be controlled like that, though. I do kind of agree with the logic that if you can't get up--if you are forced to stay where you are and can't determine where the fight goes--then you are losing except in rare circumstances. But with Torres's reversals, strikes from the bottom, and sub attempts I think he did enough to win.

I agree with that rationale if nothing is happening. But if you are forced to a position, and then do more from that spot... you are winning. Actual strikes and attacks should outweigh "octagon control." It is like control is the #1 criteria for these guys.

Aside from that, Torres was hardly stuck... in round 1, he spent over 3 minutes on top (more that DJ), he had mount, he landed more shots. Round 2 Torres was on bottom most of the time, but he was dictating the action. In the same way that DJ forced it to the mat, Torres forced DJ to defend most of the round. In round 3, Torres was on top again for part of the round, he threatened with a triangle. He landed more strikes in every round.

Basically, he won the fight. It was close, but only because of the retarded scoring system. The Japanese know how to score grappling better IMO, but they are just so inconsistent and shady. When you bet on Japan MMA, you have to forget the "guy on top is winning" mentality, because they don't give a shit over there.

[poopoo333]

When you bet on Japan MMA, you have to forget the "guy on top is winning" mentality, because they don't give a shit over there.

After reading the play by play, this is why I lost the Ishida bet.

[MMA_scientist]

"Sorry guys, I fucked up and let the judges decide my fate. Johnson did a good job and had a great game plan... Rewatched my fight, think I won based on effective attacks, sweeps & position control... Thanks to Sherdog, Heavy, Bloody Elbow, & MMAJunkie for scoring the fight in my favor. Bad judging can't hold me down, I will be back." -Miguel Torres, Johnson was just defending all through out, I still think Torres should've won.


"Sherdog(all 3 Judges) Bloody Elbow, Heavymma and MMA rising all gave the fight to Miguel Torres. What did you guys think? ...Over 2500 people voted on who they think won between Torres and Johnson. 77% say Torres... Its a shame the judges don't seem to understand the ground game." -Firas Zahabi, Yep. They should learn that being on top is an advantage in a sense that it is easier to score points, but it doesn't really mean that you already are.

[SPX]

Well my 3u that I lost agrees with all of that shit.