UFC 132 July 2nd

**Johnny Unreliable** · 07-02-2011, 02:39 PM

Also forgot to mention I recently rewatched Cruz/Jorgenson and Jorgenson was able to sweep cruz from the bottom, and even had the opportunity to take his back a time or two as Cruz was getting up. If he gives up his back to Faber I see him getting choked out....

**SPX** · 07-02-2011, 02:50 PM

I'm a Faber fan and think he's an awesome fighter, but I think he's on the downward slope of his career. He's not quite as fast as he used to be and the overall level of competition has increased in the lighter weight classes. He was run out of the FW division for that very reason.

I don't understand what you mean when you say that Faber has fought much better competition than Cruz. He's beaten some good guys, but his best wins in the WEC were Pulver (we know the situation there, sadly), Assuncao, Mizugaki, Wineland and Cruz himself. Cruz's best wins are Benavidez (x2), Bowles and Scott Jorgensen. I think the competition level is pretty comparable, with Benavidez and Bowles probably being better than anyone Faber has ever beaten (except for Cruz himself, of course).

If we just look at their recent performances, Urijah dropped rounds to both Assuncao and Wineland before figuring out how to win. His performance against Mizugaki was impressive, though I thought Miz was actually winning on the feet before the choke.

Cruz on the other hand, with the exception of the relatively close rematch with Benavidez, has been totally dominating his opponents.

I actually think Cruz is somewhat Machida-esque in his ability to float in, strike, and get out of range. Dude is like a ghost. And when it does turn into a wrestling match, he pretty much always ends up on top.

**SPX** · 07-02-2011, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by Johnny Unreliable

Also forgot to mention I recently rewatched Cruz/Jorgenson and Jorgenson was able to sweep cruz from the bottom, and even had the opportunity to take his back a time or two as Cruz was getting up. If he gives up his back to Faber I see him getting choked out....

Jorgensen may have had a moment here or there, but that fight was a massacre. At no point was Cruz in any trouble whatsoever.

**flyinggogoplata** · 07-02-2011, 02:57 PM

are people really getting behind tito here? dude is a complete bum last win 2006 ken shamrock.

**poopoo333** · 07-02-2011, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by SPX

Jorgensen may have had a moment here or there, but that fight was a massacre. At no point was Cruz in any trouble whatsoever.

Yeah, Cruz dominated that fight. I think Jorgensen would probably beat Faber too

**SPX** · 07-02-2011, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by flyinggogoplata

are people really getting behind tito here? dude is a complete bum last win 2006 ken shamrock.

Go fuck yourself. War Tito.

**Thewisemann** · 07-02-2011, 03:12 PM

Bader is highly overratted, his mms wrestling is not that good, his standup isn't good, he does have power though, and he's a gasser. War Ortiz.

**poopoo333** · 07-02-2011, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by Thewisemann

Bader is highly overratted, his mms wrestling is not that good, his standup isn't good, he does have power though, and he's a gasser. War Ortiz.

Pretty much this. His wrestling is ok for a round or two and he gasses and gets outstruck by people like Eric Schafer

**Johnny Unreliable** · 07-02-2011, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by SPX

Jorgensen may have had a moment here or there, but that fight was a massacre. At no point was Cruz in any trouble whatsoever.

I was using that example to show Cruz's less than stellar groundgame which also happens to be Fabers strong suit. Could you see Cruz going 5 rounds with Aldo? I don't think he'd make it out of the first honestly. Aldo, Curran, Mizugaki, Assuncao, MTBx2, and Wineland ain't too shabby though you I could see making an argument for Cruz with Bowles, Jorgenson and Benevidez.

This fight seems like a pickem with one guy being a much better finisher with better wrestling credentials and ground game and he's also at +odds. Faber has more ways to win the fight and one of his strong suits happens to be one of Cruz's weaker areas.

**flyinggogoplata** · 07-02-2011, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by Johnny Unreliable

I was using that example to show Cruz's less than stellar groundgame which also happens to be Fabers strong suit. Could you see Cruz going 5 rounds with Aldo? I don't think he'd make it out of the first honestly. Aldo, Curran, Mizugaki, Assuncao, MTBx2, and Wineland ain't too shabby though you I could see making an argument for Cruz with Bowles, Jorgenson and Benevidez.

This fight seems like a pickem with one guy being a much better finisher with better wrestling credentials and ground game and he's also at +odds. Faber has more ways to win the fight and one of his strong suits happens to be one of Cruz's weaker areas.

Cruz would give Aldo all kinds of problems.

**Mr. IWS** · 07-02-2011, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by flyinggogoplata

Cruz would give Aldo all kinds of problems.

Surely you jest.

**flyinggogoplata** · 07-02-2011, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by IWS Zak

Surely you jest.

srs? Aldo would win but it would be a lot like the Hommick fight with Cruz being faster and having better wrestling.

**flyinggogoplata** · 07-02-2011, 03:38 PM

So far people here think tito has a chance.

Cruz wouldn't last one round with Aldo.

Good to know.

**poopoo333** · 07-02-2011, 03:40 PM

Cruz is gonna take Faber down a few times as well. Watch mah niggaz

**Mr. IWS** · 07-02-2011, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by flyinggogoplata

srs? Aldo would win but it would be a lot like the Hommick fight with Cruz being faster and having better wrestling.

I cant really comment either way, as I do not watch manlets under 155.

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