UFC on Versus 5

[sideloaded]

bjj nerds were just creaming their pants over Oliveira and hyped him up way to high, the steam was all over Cerrone.

[Vandelay]

bjj nerds were just creaming their pants over Oliveira and hyped him up way to high, the steam was all over Cerrone.

lol agreed. fuckin blue belt or whatever he was. Dude is active off his back, but any decent grappler should be able to nullify his jj. Miller subbed him in less than a minute which is pretty sad. Anyways, ill bet him when he faces any wrestler with weak standup and thats about it.

[sbjj]

If his BJJ sucks, why would you bet him against a wrestler? One would assume wrestlers would feast on a guy with weak BJJ.

[MMA_scientist]

With Oliveira, I think he needs to get Americanized with his training. I really think that is the difference with a lot of these over seas fighters. They need to start lifting and taking roids and training with a team of guys that can push them. Look at Yushin, he joined up with teat TRT and look at him now. Just a couple years ago, he was getting beat up by Rich Franklin, now a lot of people think he is going to beat Anderson (but not me, I thinik Anderson is going to decimate him). I think Oliveira is a talent, but he should definitely be at 145 and he needs to work his hands some. That said, does anyone think Cerrone would be Lentz? I think Lentz would beat him so I am just confused now. So my only explanation is that Oliveira was off.

As for getting subbed by Miller, Miller is legit on the ground. Had Bendo not been made of rubber, he would have gotten the same knee bar treatment.

[MMA_scientist]

If his BJJ sucks, why would you bet him against a wrestler? One would assume wrestlers would feast on a guy with weak BJJ.

Probably because he is 3-1 against wrestlers in the UFC. I disagree though, his bjj is good... no one ever said he was Roger Gracie though. I think Oliveira is only a purple belt, and that is his base. So it is a little different than Edgar being a purple belt, because it is just a supplement to his wrestling. I think he has a godo aggressive grappling style for MMA, and I think he will continue to beat a lot of ass. He is 21, he just needs to get some experience and steroids.

[sideloaded]

Well Yushin has always been a slow starter and nothing really happened in the Franklin fight until the 3rd round when Yushin started to get going. Franklin is lucky he won that fight, Yushin was just too young. I don't get it? Yushin has always been huge and if he was on TRT he still isn't as big Cheal. Yushin had Anderson down in the first fight and could've controlled Anderson for three rounds until Anderson decided to cheat his way out. Remember when Ed Soares wrote that manifesto on why Yushin shouldn't fight for the belt? It's because Anderson knows it's a horrible match up.

[MMA_scientist]

^ did not mean that Yushin was actually on TRT, just that he is training with Americans now (Team Quest = team TRT).

As for Yushin being a horrible matchup for Anderson, maybe. But to me, he is not as good a wrestler as Sonnen or Hendo (although Hendo and Sonnen are the only guys to take rounds off him, other than Maia if you count that), his striking is not as good as Belfort or Franklin, and he has limited submissions. That said, he has the best submission defense of any of those guys. Maybe he has enough to get him down, if so, I expect him to fare better on the ground than Sonnen or Hendo did.

That said, at the current line, you pretty much have bet Yushin. The line is definitely off.

[edman5555]

I don't know if Yushin can sub Silva, I doubt it but it isn't impossible. Yushins hands are pretty decent. His takedowns are pretty solid as well. I would be suprised if Yushin could go 25 minutes taking Anderson down and not getting knocked out. I doubt Anderson submits Okami. Anderson probably knocks him out.

[MMA_scientist]

I highly doubt Yushin subs Anderson. He might be able stop him with strikes on the ground or win a decision... I am with you though, I think Anderson will catch him at some point. If Munoz can drop him, Anderson can and will. The difference is Okami is coming to grapple, and Anderson probably doesn't have the submission out here that he has with other grapplers, Okami is very hard to submit. I have posted the vid of his grappling match with Maia, where really, Okami should have been given the decision.

[edman5555]

Yeah he held maia down pretty well. IMO if he can get Silva down he can probably hold him down for the round, provided it is a solid takedown and he gets in guard. I guess in theory he would only need 1-2 takedowns per round to hold him down for a dec win. Anderson is probably going to come out looking like a beast for this fight though. It is in brazil, theres no way he wants to lose there. I imagine he must be training his ass off. No bet for me.

[SPX]

I put half a unit on Okami at +400.

Sonnen was SO close to beating Silva . . . mere minutes away. Considering the way that fight went I think Okami is worth a small play here. LOL at Anderson being -600.

[MMA_scientist]

Anderson is going to literally seksumi him right in the pugo.

[SPX]

You said it yourself, Okami is the play.

[MMA_scientist]

Yeah, I think Okami is the play at these odds. I definitely don't see how anyone can bet Anderson at that line. Okami is playable, but I think he is going to get sexed up. I will probably throw down a small play though just because it is so dumb.

[MMA_scientist]

Don't forget that Anderson was fighting with a broken rib against Sonnen, though.