UFC 140

[MMA_scientist]

^^ that is pretty much my thought. Both guys are coming to grapple, but Cholish is better, and also has the wrestling edge. The guy he pulled the kneebar on was a d1 wrestler himself.
As far as guillotines, that is one of those submissions, you either have a good guillotine or you don't. There is technique to it, like anything, but there are alot of different ways to apply it, including just being incredibly strong. So yeah, guillotine submissions are pretty easy to snag without being that great of an all around grappler. The RNC is a little different IMO, because it takes a certain level of dominance to get to the back. The sub itself if just the cherry on top, the real accomplishment is getting the back.

For me, Cholish has just shown he can do it at a higher level AND he has the wrestling out. That said, he may be a big favorite... I really have no idea where that opens. I am certainly not going to pay a lot to bet it.

[AC88]

I'd MUCH rather bet that Ebersole/Patrick goes to decision than pick a winner. This fight is going to be pretty hard to choose. I may play Ebersole small if anything.

[SPX]

Ebersole might just put Patrick in a coffin like he did to Hallman.

[MMA_scientist]

Patrick showed some pretty solid grappling against Roberts. Roberts is a solid grappler in his own right, but I would say not as good as Hallman. Of course, Hallman had Ebersole's back within about 20 seconds IIRC.

[AC88]

My hesitation for pulling something on Ebersole is seeing that Patrick is training in many different camps including the Blackzilian camp in Florida and with Mark Munoz's team out in California. Am I just thinking too much? Obviously, just because you train with people at such a high level, it doesn't automatically make you great (ie. Leonard Garcia, Cub Swanson and etc.). But, with a line that close and seeing Patrick takes his training that seriously, it makes it hard to bet against him.

[SPX]

I think that Ebersole has the advantage in that he's shown he's good all-around. He may not be as good of a pure wrestler as Patrick is, but he's proven that he's pretty damn good, and even more than that he's shown that he can really damage someone with his fists if he gets in position to do so. I don't feel like Patrick has shown us that.

[edman5555]

I feel like Claude might take it. Ebersole has 9 sub losses and he was getting his ass handed to him by an injured Hallman. He does manage to win though.

[SPX]

Could happen. Patrick certainly has a lot of sub wins. Just looking at his record though I feel like level of competition might have a lot to do with that.

[mike]

i think Patrick can win just by controling Ebersole. Patrick seems to have good game plans and execute them well. I will wait to see how the first round goes and use the live betting. I win more with live betting.

[SPX]

Patrick's not winning, motherfucker!

You can take your 126 posts and get the fuck out with that shit!

[SPX]

[SPX]

2u on K-Sos at -200

[Mr. IWS]

Patrick's not winning, motherfucker!

You can take your 126 posts and get the fuck out with that shit!

lolyumad?

[sbjj]

I believe Ebersole was a D-1 wrestler. I have serious doubts Patrick will control him.

[poopoo333]