UFC 140

[Svino]

regarding 1, and 5) I lost on both of those bets. I think I should try to shy away from betting hard favorites in fights that are likely to be chaotic brawls.

Two guys who clearly didn't have the takedown defense that I thought they did: Lentz and Makdessi. I wonder how much the size difference made in each case.

Two guys who should take some lessons from Vitor on how to finish a fight: Nog and Nog. Big Nog made an obvious mistake, and even Little Nog actually kind of looked sloppy in how he handled Tito after he hurt him.

In terms of finding someone to beat Jones, I think the "technical striker who can evade the clinch takedown" route has to be considered almost closed. No one is going to be a better Machida than Machida. I watched the fight again to confirm something I thought I noticed the first time: if you watch from about two minutes into the second round onwards, it's clear that Machida is really slowing down. He then lets Jones clinch with him easily and barely resists the final TD. Even Jones said he was surprised at how little Machida offered once down.

It seems strange that Machida would fade after only 1.5 rounds of a style of fight he's fairly used to. Which brings me to the final part of my excuse-conspiracy-theory: Remember the rumors that Machida had the flu or something in the days before the fight?

[Ludo]

The fatigue could have something to do with being cut open as well though. He was taken down and up against the fence with nowhere to go when he got cut open. That shit can drain on the cardio for sure though the time line might be a bit off as to how fast it generally takes for it to effect stamina.

[Svino]

The fatigue could have something to do with being cut open as well though. He was taken down and up against the fence with nowhere to go when he got cut open. That shit can drain on the cardio for sure though the time line might be a bit off as to how fast it generally takes for it to effect stamina.

Yeah, but I'm saying he was slowing down noticeably on the feet before he was ever caught by Jones or taken down.

[mike]

From memory, I thought Machida was breathing rather heavily even in the first round. I remember thinking "machida is slowing down".

[SPX]

Machida seem gassed going into the 2nd round. Jones is just a very difficult fighter to deal with. Too big, too strong, explosive and moves well. Who can beat him now? I was so happy for Big Nog when I see him hurt Mir. He should have just kept pounding on Mir. Super nice comeback for Mir.

Yeah, I also noticed that Machida looked gassed. That's weird, because he never really gasses. I wonder if an adrenaline dump had anything to do with it, with this being a huge fight for him and all.

And yeah, Mir's comeback was excellent, but man, I thought Nog had him finished. JDS would blow Mir's brains out.

[SPX]

Two guys who clearly didn't have the takedown defense that I thought they did: Lentz and Makdessi. I wonder how much the size difference made in each case.

I actually thought Makdessi did okay resisting the takedown, at least for a while. Hallman just wouldn't give up, though.

But I really think the size difference played a factor there. Hallman was clearly huge. No wonder he didn't make weight. With that said though I do wonder if Makdessi might want to consider going to FW. He's looked undersized in all of his fights.

[poopoo333]

I just watched Mir/Big Nog...HOLY SHIT. It is gay though because I put $ on Big Nog by (T)KO

[SPX]

The fatigue could have something to do with being cut open as well though. He was taken down and up against the fence with nowhere to go when he got cut open. That shit can drain on the cardio for sure though the time line might be a bit off as to how fast it generally takes for it to effect stamina.

How is a cut going to effect stamina? If you're thinking the blood loss leads to oxygen depletion, I actually talked to a doctor about that very thing not too long ago and he said that a fighter would have to lose a LOT of blood for that to actually happen . . . enough blood that the fight would simply be stopped.

[Luke]

Saw in a few places days leading up to the fight that Machida had been battling the flu all week.That could have led to him gassing quickly.

[SPX]

If that flu shit is true then it's really disappointing because he needed to be 100% for this fight of all fights.

[SPX]

In terms of finding someone to beat Jones, I think the "technical striker who can evade the clinch takedown" route has to be considered almost closed. No one is going to be a better Machida than Machida.

I think the only legitimate hope left at anyone beating Jones is Rashad. After that, we might as well just settle in and expect him to be champ for a long time.

The weird thing about last night though was that he looked very dominant and impressive . . . but in the first round he also looked more human than I believe we've seen him look in several fights. So one is left with a sort of dismayed hope.

[edman5555]

If Machida had the flu it would have affected his cardio. Also, he put on more muscle for this fight. That could also play a role. New muscle + flu = gas. Sucks. It will be a really long time before he can get a rematch too. Jones just requested a 5 month vacation and Rashad is next in line.

[Ludo]

How is a cut going to effect stamina? If you're thinking the blood loss leads to oxygen depletion, I actually talked to a doctor about that very thing not too long ago and he said that a fighter would have to lose a LOT of blood for that to actually happen . . . enough blood that the fight would simply be stopped.

There's a mental aspect to getting cut open and knowing your bleeding. It can throw a fighter into desperation, suddenly he's thinking about the blood, the dripping might bother him, will it get in his eye, will they stop the fight, etc etc etc. Added stress can drain stamina pretty quickly especially for a fighter who's never been cut open like that before.

[Ludo]

If Machida had the flu it would have affected his cardio. Also, he put on more muscle for this fight. That could also play a role. New muscle + flu = gas. Sucks. It will be a really long time before he can get a rematch too. Jones just requested a 5 month vacation and Rashad is next in line.

Hendo is next in line. Rashad isn't guaranteed to beat the other Jon Jones.

[edman5555]

oh shit yeah i forgot about phil dacvis