UFC 140

[SPX]

Yeah, but he also beat future MW Strikeforce champ Keith Jardine.

[AC88]

I don't remember him demolishing Machida striking. I remember him landing one good shot that dropped Machida right before the end. He demolished Rampage standing. Shogun I won't even speak on because it was clear he had something horribly wrong going on with him for that fight. I've never seen him gas in half a round before.

That's what happens when you walk into a flying knee from Jones in the first 10 seconds of the (SMFH) fight.

[Ludo]

That's what happens when you walk into a flying knee from Jones in the first 10 seconds of the (SMFH) fight.

I'm having a hard time with the notion that he gassed from a knee and was still able to hold on for over three rounds after the knee. We have seen Shogun's cardio turn to shit after a long layoff + knee surgery before. He took some of the hardest shots of all time against Hendo and still had more in the tank in round 5 of that fight than he did coming into round 3 of the fight with Jones. Obviously it was something other than a single knee to the body.

[AC88]

I'm having a hard time with the notion that he gassed from a knee and was still able to hold on for over three rounds after the knee. We have seen Shogun's cardio turn to shit after a long layoff + knee surgery before. He took some of the hardest shots of all time against Hendo and still had more in the tank in round 5 of that fight than he did coming into round 3 of the fight with Jones. Obviously it was something other than a single knee to the body.

It was a flying knee to the face dude. They have video clips of the flying knee JJ threw at Shogun in the first 10 seconds of the fight and it connected FLUSH.

I don't know if a JJ flying knee is harder than a Hendo right but I would be inclined to say that it is and Shogun himself has claimed in several interviews that it was THAT flying knee that messed him up the ENTIRE fight.

[SPX]

It was a flying knee to the face dude. They have video clips of the flying knee JJ threw at Shogun in the first 10 seconds of the fight and it connected FLUSH.

I think Ludo has a point. Hendo knocked the shit out of him on multiple occasions and he made it to the end. You're saying a knee in the first 10 seconds put him on queer street for 3 rounds?

[SPX]

BTW, considering that Lyoto took a round off of Jones . . . but lasted fewer rounds than Shogun and Rampage . . . how does everyone rate his performance?

[AC88]

If Shogun HIMSELF said that it was the flying knee to the face that changed the whole fight should we still say otherwise? LOL.

[SPX]

If Shogun HIMSELF said that it was the flying knee to the face that changed the whole fight should we still say otherwise? LOL.

Fuck it, you're banned.

Kidding.

But seriously, I'm just saying, that doesn't make a lot of sense. If he was so affected by a single knee then he shouldn't have been able to hold on for so long.

[AC88]

Fuck it, you're banned.

Kidding.

But seriously, I'm just saying, that doesn't make a lot of sense. If he was so affected by a single knee then he shouldn't have been able to hold on for so long.

I can believe it because Shogun's chin was good enough to take Hendo's rights - so I believe it was good enough to last through 3 rounds of assbeating after a flush flying knee. Just saying - I'm not trying to argue with anyone. I'm just repeating what I've seen and heard. Sorry if I've offended anyone.

[Ludo]

It was a flying knee to the face dude. They have video clips of the flying knee JJ threw at Shogun in the first 10 seconds of the fight and it connected FLUSH.

I don't know if a JJ flying knee is harder than a Hendo right but I would be inclined to say that it is and Shogun himself has claimed in several interviews that it was THAT flying knee that messed him up the ENTIRE fight.

So your saying Shogun couldn't possibly be a classy guy and didn't want to take anything away from Jones winning the fight? I find it hard to believe Shogun would say "I shouldn't have come back early, My knee isn't fully healed yet and My cardio suffered for it". There's nothing anyone can say that will justify trying to compare one flying knee from Jon Jones while both guys are still fresh and have yet to loosen up as opposed to two H-bombs that almost killed Shogun in two different rounds.

[SPX]

Just saying - I'm not trying to argue with anyone. I'm just repeating what I've seen and heard. Sorry if I've offended anyone.

BOL. I was just fucking with you. You don't need to be too worried about offending anyone.

Considering the shit that some people say around here, something tells me you can get away with saying Shogun was hurt by a flying knee.

[Ludo]

BTW, considering that Lyoto took a round off of Jones . . . but lasted fewer rounds than Shogun and Rampage . . . how does everyone rate his performance?

Well considering he took a round off of Jones I'd give him a better rating than either Shogun or Rampage. We haven't seen anyone so competitive with Jones since Bonnar after Jones got tired.

[Ludo]

Yeah, it's cool man. We're just debating the fight. Things will get a little heated here and there but trust Me, nobody is going to be offended by you having the opinion that Shogun was transformed from cream of the crop to creamed corn by a flying knee. We just differ in opinion here is all.

[SPX]

Well considering he took a round off of Jones I'd give him a better rating than either Shogun or Rampage. We haven't seen anyone so competitive with Jones since Bonnar after Jones got tired.

Word.

Goddamn.

It's really too bad that it only lasted for a single round. I really hope that a rematch between those two will happen one day.

[Ludo]

Word.

Goddamn.

It's really too bad that it only lasted for a single round. I really hope that a rematch between those two will happen one day.

Is it Me or does Jones have some luck on him? He fights an ill prepared Shogun to win the title, and then Machida gasses after a Machida-fight round which allows Jones to be the first guy to defend the belt twice since Chuck in 2006.