TUF 14 Finale

[zY|]

Yeah, I need to catch up. I assume it's all on ultimatefighter.com

[trotterz]

You sure? I would throw a bunch on Ferguson at this point because I am on that guy's hype train big time.

Well, I guess that the lines with start around that point, but money will come on Ferguson's side fast

[SPX]

I hate it that fighters don't have to earn their lines anymore.

The dude has had one (1) UFC fight (or I guess two if you want to count the TUF finale), against a journeyman known for getting his ass kicked by good fighters. On the other hand, Edwards is a veteran who has actually been doing pretty well.

[trotterz]

I hate it that fighters don't have to earn their lines anymore.

The dude has had one (1) UFC fight (or I guess two if you want to count the TUF finale), against a journeyman known for getting his ass kicked by good fighters. On the other hand, Edwards is a veteran who has actually been doing pretty well.

lines are alot about hype. Best example of that was the vila dantas line last week.

[sbjj]

I hate it that fighters don't have to earn their lines anymore.

The dude has had one (1) UFC fight (or I guess two if you want to count the TUF finale), against a journeyman known for getting his ass kicked by good fighters. On the other hand, Edwards is a veteran who has actually been doing pretty well.

One could argue that being Sam Stouts only KO victim is not doing pretty well.

[poopoo333]

"earn their lines"? That would be a horrible strategy for the books. "Hey Joey Oddessa, why don't you put Ronda Rousey @ +125 against Julie Kedzie? Rousey only has 3 fights!"

[MMA_scientist]

The learning curve is not as steep as it once was. It used to be that it took a little adaptation and even great athletes lost fights right out of the gate (see Marcelo Garcia, Kevin Jackson) while learning MMA. Guys are expected to be good right away these days... look at Roger, who only had 4 fights, people expect him to be good no matter what. The best wrestler in MMA right now is probably Vila, he is 41 and people still expected him to be great. Information is so much more available now, people aren't as stupid and they don't take fights they have no chance in like they used to- because the stakes are higher.

[SPX]

One could argue that being Sam Stouts only KO victim is not doing pretty well.

Sam Stout is good and was expected to win that fight anyway. Also, you're not being fair. Edwards is 3-1 since coming back to the UFC with 2 finishes, including a brutal TKO over Oliveira. That's pretty fucking good for a 35 year old fighter with almost 60 fights.

[SPX]

"earn their lines"? That would be a horrible strategy for the books. "Hey Joey Oddessa, why don't you put Ronda Rousey @ +125 against Julie Kedzie? Rousey only has 3 fights!"

Like Trotterz said, it goes the other way, too.

Vila/Dantas was a good example.
Oliveira/Cowboy is another.
Ryan Couture in his last two fights is another.
Bobby Lashley in pretty much any fight is yet another.

Yeah, fighters need to earn their right to be a big favorite. Ferguson has looked good, but Nijem and Riley are not high-level comp. He may go out and dominate Edwards. But on the other hand, he may get fucking smashed.

[sbjj]

I think I am being fair. His 3 wins just are not that great. And Oliveira actual had him hurt(and he is another guy not known for power). My thing is, if Yves is getting rattled by historically light hitters, how is he going to respond when Tonu hits him.

You think Yves should be favored? Or is this a case of you wishing he was favored. And if you think Yves will win and Tony will be favored...should you not be happy?

[SPX]

I think Tony will win, but I think it's far from a foregone conclusion, so I think he should only be favored slightly. Maybe -150 or something.

[sbjj]

You see Yves outstriking him?

[SPX]

I'm not sure that DO see it, but have we not been watching this stuff long enough now to know that unexpected performances happen on a fairly regular basis?

[poopoo333]

If Ferguson is only -150 I am gonna bet the shit out of that

[mike]

I think Edwards' chin is cracked. He will be koed again