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I like Condit TBH. I think Diaz's hype is out of control.
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I don't know. Daley dropped him. Kj noons almost out struck him. If Daley had more self control he probably would have won his fight. Look how close a striking battle kj had with Diaz two times. Masvidal walked through noons in the striking department. I think condits striking is very good. That said, I don't know who's striking is better. Both guys have great conditioning. Wrestling is up in the air. I think it's anyone's fight. Crazy to bet anything big.1 unit = 300 $Comment
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I don't remember the second fight being terribly close striking wise. I had a bet on KJ at the time and I knew Diaz took it in the end. Nick pretty much did what he wanted to KJ in the last two rounds. We know Condit isn't subbing Nick, he might be able to score the TKO but I don't think Nick would tap even if he was caught deep. He'd go out Minotauro style and lose via TKO (Injury) that way, or ref stoppage from being unconscious.2013: +8.24u(increased unit size on 5/19)
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Based on what? When has Nick been in a deep sub and gone out Samurai style?I heart cockComment
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He wouldn't necessarily need to flop, but he might feel like he has to get it to the ground. Roy is definitely confident enough to take Werdum down and lay in his guard and even try to pass. I think Roy's top game is good enough to hold Fabricio off for a little while with consistency. Werdum is the better technical striker but I think he's totally terrified of using it unless he has no choice.2013: +8.24u(increased unit size on 5/19)
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He's never been subbed at all. In fact I don't remember him ever being caught deep in a sub to begin with. I just have a feeling he wouldn't tap. Alot of high level blackbelts just won't tap, and Cesar seems like the kind of guy who would teach that shit to people. Look at the gracies as a whole. Royce didn't tap when Matt Hughes about ripped his arm in half, Renzo didn't tap even after Sakuraba broke his shit and kept cranking before the ref saw it was busted and stopped things, neither did Royler when Sakuraba had him trapped(even though that should have been allowed to go on). Couple that with the whole legend of Kimura and him breaking Helio's arm back in the day. These guys don't tap to shit and it's a matter of pride. I doubt Nick would tap to be quite honest.2013: +8.24u(increased unit size on 5/19)
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Even Nog tapped when shit got too hot.
But maybe you're right. Who knows. At the end of the day I don't imagine it matters much considering that tap or not when shit gets broken or a nigga goes unconscious, they lose.I heart cockComment
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Minotauro didn't tap until the humerus gave way. And I get what your saying about it being a loss at the end of the day. But I just think some of these guys have that whole "jesus didn't tap" mentality where they'd rather get choked out and shit they're pants before waking up than just admitting they got caught in a sub.2013: +8.24u(increased unit size on 5/19)
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Maybe so. It's just extremely rare. Almost everyone taps.I heart cockComment
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I just said it's rare. Most fighters tap.
To be honest, it's pretty retarded to NOT tap. Brazilians are crazy. They let their shit get broken instead of take a loss in a sport (and then take a loss anyway after the ref realizes their shit is broken). They're also willing to take someone's life--as Scientist alluded to in the OT--because someone has a dude in a losing position on the cover of a taekwondo book.
Those motherfucker's honestly scare me.I heart cockComment
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Well they don't have much. Pride tends to be a large portion of the things people who don't have much count when listing things they do have. I do agree it's stupid but it does exist for some of these guys. They come in with chips on their shoulders and constantly act like they have something to prove, before you know it they won't be smart about things. This could also fall into something we were talking about a few weeks ago about Palhares being possibly mentally handicapped to a degree. Maybe some of these guys aren't quite "with it" upstairs, you know?2013: +8.24u(increased unit size on 5/19)
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^^^ An intelligent reply.
Yes, pride, I guess that's it. Pride . . . poverty . . . Even here in the States, in ghetto culture, "respect" is a big deal. They'll kill you over that shit. Where as in more affluent areas if you disrespect someone they'll just go inside or, in extreme instances, call the police on you.
All I know is that one thing I don't like are unpredictable people and people who get physically violent because shit doesn't go there way. Brazilians seem to be such people.I heart cockComment
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