National Championship game should be OU/TX

[Luke]

Re: National Championship game should be OU/TX

They just announced the new BS I mean BCS standings and Oklahoma did jump over Texas .

This is an absolute disgrace IMO . When two teams are ranked 2 and 3 and the head to head match up doesnt mean anything the whole system is a bunch of crap.


How do you tell your players that they will not get to play for the national title because a bunch of morons that vote in a poll think Oklahoma is better than you even though you beat them?

I am not biased in this as I picked Oklahoma to win the title before the season started and just dont like to see anyone get screwed over.

[timbob]

Re: National Championship game should be OU/TX

You have to remember it is voters OPINIONS, just as it is your OPINION that Texas should be higher. So to me it isn't even close to a disgrace.

Most voters are voting the season, not just the head to head. Yes, Texas beat them, but Texas got beat by Tech, who a)Oklahoma blew away, and b)Baylor almost beat! Texas barely beat Oklahoma St and Oklahoma blew them away yesterday! I would vote Oklahoma ahead of Texas with those games alone! Then again, that is my OPINION! And when OPINIONS decide fate, you have what you have.

The disgrace is the BCS.

Until these coaches push heavy for a playoff system this will happen, so they can look in the mirror and blame themselves!! Until it is settled on the field you can argue all you want, it won't matter.

BTW - The polls had them almost dead even (Harris 3 & 2, USA Today 2 & 3) with Texas ahead with a 9.134 average versus 9.127. The computer has Oklahoma number one versus number two for Texas. The computer is what did them in, not the voters.

[timbob]

Re: National Championship game should be OU/TX

This is an absolute disgrace IMO . When two teams are ranked 2 and 3 and the head to head match up doesnt mean anything the whole system is a bunch of crap.

Didn't really read this part before. Luke, this is a BIG 12 rule when a three-way tie exist. So if Texas goes since they beat Oklahoma, why doesn't Tech go when they beat Texas head-to-head? And if the people voting are morons, why do you want them to decide? Because if your basing it on rankings then your basing it on those morons deciding. Correct?

This is the Big 12 making these decisions. You have to have some sort of tiebreaker.

[Guest]

Re: National Championship game should be OU/TX

This is an absolute disgrace IMO . When two teams are ranked 2 and 3 and the head to head match up doesnt mean anything the whole system is a bunch of crap.

Didn't really read this part before. Luke, this is a BIG 12 rule when a three-way tie exist. So if Texas goes since they beat Oklahoma, why doesn't Tech go when they beat Texas head-to-head? And if the people voting are morons, why do you want them to decide? Because if your basing it on rankings then your basing it on those morons deciding. Correct?

This is the Big 12 making these decisions. You have to have some sort of tiebreaker.

I totally agree with TimBob on this one (that's scary).

[Luke]

Re: National Championship game should be OU/TX

This is an absolute disgrace IMO . When two teams are ranked 2 and 3 and the head to head match up doesnt mean anything the whole system is a bunch of crap.

Didn't really read this part before. Luke, this is a BIG 12 rule when a three-way tie exist. So if Texas goes since they beat Oklahoma, why doesn't Tech go when they beat Texas head-to-head? And if the people voting are morons, why do you want them to decide? Because if your basing it on rankings then your basing it on those morons deciding. Correct?

This is the Big 12 making these decisions. You have to have some sort of tiebreaker.

You are right I dont want people and their opinions deciding whether these students deserve to play for the title over these students, the whole system is a joke and it is year after year.

So just because its a Big 12 rule that this is the tie breaker that means its fair? Did you know that in most other conferences that when two teams are that close in ranking the deciding factor is the head to head matchup? Thats the way is should be .

I dont even want to hear about Texas Tech anymore ,had that game been played at Texas's home field Texas would have won that game. Whats your excuse for Oklahoma? They played on a neutral field and lost to Texas . So whats their excuse ?They lost on a neutral field to a better team and are ranked ahead of them , how does that happen?

Are you saying that because Oklahoma beat OSU by 20 and Texas beat them by 5 Oklahoma is a better team even though Texas beat Oklahoma ? The fact that computers decided who is going is nuts

If Oklahoma beat every team this year by 50 and Texas beat those same teams by 1 every game Oklahoma is not a better team . A win is a win and a loss is a loss .

Lets look at 4 of the last 6 national title games:

In 2002 Miami was beating everyone by huge points while Ohio State were winning games by 7 or less. Miami won the title game by a lot right? Nope Ohio State won on defense

in 2004 Oklahoma was scoring all the points while USC was struggling to win in most games .Oklahoma won by 21 right? nope they lost by 36 USC shut their high powered offense down

in 2005 USC was the greatest team ever winning most game by 30+ every game and Texas barely beat Ohio State .USC cleaned Texas's clock right? Nope Texas won by 3 by stuffing USC with their defense

in 2006 undefeated Ohio State had the longest win streak in the nation and played a one loss Florida team that struggled to win alot of games ? The high scoring Buckeyes won right? Nope Florida won by 27 points completely shutting down OSU high powered offense with DEFENSE

So what's my point ? Defense not offense makes teams champions . Oklahoma has no defense .You mentioned Oklahoma beat Oklahoma St by a blowout and Texas barely won you forgot to mention Oklahoma gave up 41 points on defense and Texas gave up 24 to Oklahoma St . You also forgot to look at the Kansas games . Oklahoma gave up 31 points to Kansas Texas gave up 7 to Kansas. You also forgot to look at how Oklahoma played Kansas St . They gave up 35 to Kansas St. Kansas st for god sakes .

That is why Texas not Oklahoma should get the chance to play for the title . I can guarantee you Oklahoma will not win the the title because the have no defense .

You and other people that are see Oklahoma scoring all these points scored and think they are better are also the same people the picked the wrong team to win the National Title all the years above because you looked at the "better " team scoring all those points while the actual better team was winning with defense.

When will people realize defense wins championships not scoring?Oklahoma averaged giving up 30 ppg in the Big 12 this year.

Not only does Texas have the better defense and more rounded team THEY BEAT OKLAHOMA

So because Oklahoma scored more points and entertained you better Oklahoma gets the nod over a team that plays defense.

If OU and TX played again tomorrow Texas would win again because they can slow down OU offense while OU cant stop Texas


So in short
I just think this shouldnt have happened but like you said its the BCS that is flawed and it will continue to be this way until a playoff happens . I just cant imagine being told I cant play for a national title because a computer said the team we beat is better .

[Luke]

Re: National Championship game should be OU/TX

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I totally agree with TimBob on this one (that's scary).[/quote]

That's a big surprise.

So if you two are defending this whole situation explain why Texas would have went to the Big 12 title game last week but Oklahoma is the better team this week.

Texas was better than Oklahoma until Oklahoma gave up 41 points to Oklahoma St in a win this week ,now they are better than Texas?

Yikes

[timbob]

Re: National Championship game should be OU/TX

Plain and simple - Oklahoma blew away Oklahoma State, a team Texas played close and a Top 15 team. Texas blew away a last place team. Remember THE COMPUTER numbers put them over the top. When you beat a high ranked team (Okla State) versus a low team (Texas A&M) your computer ranking will rise at a better rate. Any basic computer program would do that. How do you think they figured out SOS? The better your opponent, the better you improve on a win

And again, as for the polls, they are people's OPINION. I personally like Oklahoma over Texas. I'd put my money on them big time in a rematch!!!

You can argue all you want, it is what it is. The Big 12 runs their conference the way they want. And you keep leaving Tech out of the picture who BEAT Texas! What about them?

[Mr. IWS]

Re: National Championship game should be OU/TX

Ive been arguing with my friends about this all day yesterday. I think they should use a tie breaker like 1-head to head record 2-point differential in conference games.

I didnt check it out, I will today. But whoever came out on top of that I feel should be the division winner.

[Mr. IWS]

Re: National Championship game should be OU/TX

I added up the points within the conference and got the differential.

OU +195
TEX +149
TT +91

When I get some time later, I want to see what the differential is between common opponents.

[timbob]

Re: National Championship game should be OU/TX

Thanks Zak. Just one more argument in favor of Oklahoma. RESEARCHING one's vote is the way to go.

Just like my research and the above and the computer's etc. point in the Sooners favor. Maybe that is the REAL reason they are ranked higher in the BCS. The computer average takes all these pieces of the puzzle versus just "Hey so and so beat so and so head to head so they should go" conclusion when three or more teams are involved.

You have to take the entire season into account.

[Luke]

Re: National Championship game should be OU/TX

Thanks Zak. Just one more argument in favor of Oklahoma. RESEARCHING one's vote is the way to go.

Just like my research and the above and the computer's etc. point in the Sooners favor. Maybe that is the REAL reason they are ranked higher in the BCS. The computer average takes all these pieces of the puzzle versus just "Hey so and so beat so and so head to head so they should go" conclusion when three or more teams are involved.

You have to take the entire season into account.

The only part I dont agree with you is voters dont research before they vote they look at final scores and see which team scored more points. I researched and showed you all the games above where the BCS sent teams to the National Title game because they scored lots of points and were blown out in each game, the same thing is going to happen to Oklahoma because they have no defense. I dont see how anyone can rank a team that scores a lot of points but has no defense over a team that has a solid defense and beat them.

OU did not "blow out" Oklahoma St . Did you watch the game? It was a 3 point game with 10 minutes to go it looked like it was going to be a last team with the ball kind of game. Also they scored running up the score with 30 seconds to go or it would have ended a 13 point game. That game was not a blowout

I think it bothers me is when OU jumped Texas. If they had after their big win over Texas Tech like I predicted in the first post of this thread then I probably wouldnt be arguing for Texas .

I personally think the BCS is a joke and always has been ,maybe I need to stick to gambling like I use to and not worry about teams just the spread.

As of now they are predicting

Texas vs Ohio State in the Fiesta Bowl

OU vs Florida in the BCS title

Alabama vs Utah (how exciting)

Boston College Vs Cincy (how exciting)

and we know it will be

USC vs Penn St

[Mr. IWS]

Re: National Championship game should be OU/TX

Dont get me wrong, I still think it should be settled on the field, and Texas beat OU straight up on a neutral field, so I dont think they should go over OU, but at the same time, if you put Texas in there, Tech has the same argument.

Anyway you look at it, somebody is getting fucked and if these assholes would have a playoff, this would be a non-issue.

[Luke]

Re: National Championship game should be OU/TX

Common opponents


Oklahoma Texas


Baylor won by 32 won by 24

Kansas won by 14 won by 28

Texas A&M won by 34 won by 40

Texas Tech won by 44 lost by 6

Oklahoma St won by 20 won by 4

Missouri ? won by 25

[Luke]

Re: National Championship game should be OU/TX

Dont get me wrong, I still think it should be settled on the field, and Texas beat OU straight up on a neutral field, so I dont think they should go over OU, but at the same time, if you put Texas in there, Tech has the same argument.

Anyway you look at it, somebody is getting fucked and if these assholes would have a playoff, this would be a non-issue.

I agree

[Mr. IWS]

Re: National Championship game should be OU/TX

Thanks Luke.

thats a differential of +54 points for OU.

All the evidence points to OU, but I cant get passed the fact that Texas beat them straight up.