The case for and against Utah getting the AP #1 vote

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  • Luke
    10 year vet
    • Oct 2006
    • 30060

    #1

    The case for and against Utah getting the AP #1 vote

    The case FOR:

    1) They beat Michigan in Ann Arbor

    2) They beat Oregon State, who was in contention for the PAC-10 crown until the final week, and Oregon State had a major win over USC, the only team to beat USC. Oregon State won their bowl and finished 9-4.

    3) They beat TCU who finished 11-2 and will likely finish in the Top 10. TCU beat Boise State, the only other undefeated team in the country aside from Utah going into the bowls.

    4) They dominated 'Bama, who was 12-1 coming into the Sugar Bowl and their only loss was to Florida, who will play for the BCS title on Thursday.

    5) They went undefeated in the MWC, a conference on the rise who was 6-2 vs. the PAC-10 this yr, and the Utes finished 13-0

    6) They proved by beating Oregon State and 'Bama that they can "play with the big boys". Oregon State was one of the best PAC-10 teams and 'Bama was undefeated until the final Saturday of the season. If beating these guys does not mean anything, what does?


    The case AGAINST:

    1) They were fortunate that this was the worst Michigan team in decades

    2) They beat Oregon State up in Salt Lake City. Oregon State was exposed by Oregon in their final game of the season and only finished 3rd in the PAC-10, so in retrospect, the win doesn't look all that impressive.

    3) They beat TCU up in Salt Lake City, and any reasonable person who was watching the game knew that TCU dominated for 59 mins of the game.
    It was a fluky win.

    4) They were fortunate to play 'Bama after the Crimson Tide had their national title bubble burst the final Sat of the season vs. Florida. People can say that 'Bama had no nat'l title expectations coming into the season, but believe me, they had nat'l title expectations when they went to Atlanta to play Florida and they were completely deflated for the Sugar Bowl, not to mention missing their arguably their best player (O-Lineman Andre Smith, a certain top 10 NFL draft pick this April).

    5) Outside of Utah, TCU, and maybe BYU, the MWC was very average. BYU lost their bowl. Air Force lost their bowl. Colorado State won their bowl but still finished only 7-6 on the season, and only 4-4 in the MWC. The conference got tons of play for beating up on some PAC-10 cellar dwellars. The MWC was overvalued in retrospect.

    6) If they had to play Oklahoma'a or Florida's schedule, they likely would have lost at least 1 game, if not more. Playing Oregon State in Salt Lake City and a 'Bama team that didn't give a crap about the Sugar Bowl is not as impressive as it might seem.
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  • Luke
    10 year vet
    • Oct 2006
    • 30060

    #2
    Re: The case for and against Utah getting the AP #1 vote

    I didnt write this it was emailed to me but I think they deserve a shot at the title .They did everything they were suppose to and you cannot do anymore than go undefeated.


    What do you guys think?
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    • Chico1856
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2008
      • 3315

      #3
      Re: The case for and against Utah getting the AP #1 vote

      They deserve to split the Championship w/ the winner of the BCS "Title" game
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      • Luke
        10 year vet
        • Oct 2006
        • 30060

        #4
        Re: The case for and against Utah getting the AP #1 vote

        Originally posted by Chico1856
        They deserve to split the Championship w/ the winner of the BCS "Title" game


        agreed
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        • Mr. IWS
          215 Hustler
          • Sep 2006
          • 99896

          #5
          Re: The case for and against Utah getting the AP #1 vote

          You left out, they beat my ass too, I was on Bama...LOL

          I dont think they are the best team, but you cant argue with an undefeated season, and their opposition wasnt too bad.

          I think they should get a piece.
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          • jokester
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2008
            • 574

            #6
            Re: The case for and against Utah getting the AP #1 vote

            they will surely be #2 after thurs nite's game--this argument will go on forever!

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            • Luke
              10 year vet
              • Oct 2006
              • 30060

              #7
              Re: The case for and against Utah getting the AP #1 vote

              Originally posted by jokester
              they will surely be #2 after thurs nite's game--this argument will go on forever!

              Will they?


              You think they'll jump USC and Texas?

              Does beating a one loss Bama team put you past two teams that won their bowl games?
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              • Mr. IWS
                215 Hustler
                • Sep 2006
                • 99896

                #8
                Re: The case for and against Utah getting the AP #1 vote

                I think they will be 3 or 4.
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                • Luke
                  10 year vet
                  • Oct 2006
                  • 30060

                  #9
                  Re: The case for and against Utah getting the AP #1 vote

                  Originally posted by IWS Zak
                  I think they will be 3 or 4.
                  My guess is 4 but I'm always wrong
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                  • dtrain119
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 339

                    #10
                    Re: The case for and against Utah getting the AP #1 vote

                    This is the fatal flaw with college football. Do we ever debate who the best team is after the final four? No, because it is figured out on the court. Utah deserves a shot as does Texas and USC. I even think if Alabama had something to play for you would have seen a better performance. Until there is a playoff this debate will go on forever. Maybe Obama will "throw his weight around" and change the system.

                    P.S. Herstreits's plus one system would not work this year either. Who plays in the plus one.....USC?....Utah?....Texas? Get a playoff please!!

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                    • Mr. IWS
                      215 Hustler
                      • Sep 2006
                      • 99896

                      #11
                      Re: The case for and against Utah getting the AP #1 vote

                      Originally posted by dtrain119
                      Do we ever debate who the best team is after the final four?

                      Amen.
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                      • timbob
                        Regular user
                        • Aug 2008
                        • 7154

                        #12
                        Re: The case for and against Utah getting the AP #1 vote

                        Originally posted by dtrain119
                        This is the fatal flaw with college football. Do we ever debate who the best team is after the final four? No, because it is figured out on the court. Utah deserves a shot as does Texas and USC. I even think if Alabama had something to play for you would have seen a better performance. Until there is a playoff this debate will go on forever. Maybe Obama will "throw his weight around" and change the system.

                        P.S. Herstreits's plus one system would not work this year either. Who plays in the plus one.....USC?....Utah?....Texas? Get a playoff please!!
                        Well thought out and great points. Agree with totally

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