2012 Off topic thread(basketball,movies,etc whatever)

[Luke]

You're not suppose to use the word "retard" anymore .The politically correct term now is "developmentally disabled."


Serious

[SPX]

You're not suppose to use the word "retard" anymore .The politically correct term now is "developmentally disabled."


Serious

That's retarded.

[Svino]

It was kind of rigged in a way for Royce. You didn't see them invite a top level Judo practitioners to the first UFC's. Severn was in his first ever MMA fights when he ran into Gracie so I doubt he was too familiar with BJJ but I could be wrong. The first legit competition Royce had imo was Kimo and that fight caused him to forfeit his next fight.

I think they were trying pretty hard to get the best strikers they could, but they were deliberately avoiding collegiate wrestlers at first as well as some other grapplers like Taktarov. Kimo's performance against Royce was probably a surprise to everybody, but I would consider Ken Shamrock (who Royce beat in UFC 1) to be legit.

You're not suppose to use the word "retard" anymore .The politically correct term now is "developmentally disabled."

That's become true in the public sphere, although clinically, "mental retardation" is still the term in use.

[Ludo]

Interesting story here.

Severn was on the Sunday Sitdown last year and talked a bit about his match with Royce. He wouldn't come right out and say anything specific but he mentioned something about some goings-on back stage that caused him to be a bit "nicer" to Royce than he otherwise would've been. He wasn't saying the fight was fixed, but he did indicate that not everything was on the up and up.

I don't think Severn would lie to save face so it would be interesting to know what the backstory is there.



Hmm, I'm not sure about that. In the early 90s traditional martial arts were still quite popular. If you wanted to learn martial arts then you looked at karate, TKD, kung fu or maybe judo. After MMA showed up everyone started saying TMAs suck and every TMA school is a McDojo, and everyone wanted to learn muay Thai and BJJ and boxing.

Now that guys like Machida and Makdessi have come around people are starting to get interested in TMAs again.

I would actually argue the opposite. Alot of early guys had ties to traditional martial arts. Chuck did Karate from an early age, Pat Miletich was doing karate before he entered the sport, Bas Rutten, Keith Hackney, Pat Smith, even Ron Van Clief.

[SPX]

I would actually argue the opposite. Alot of early guys had ties to traditional martial arts. Chuck did Karate from an early age, Pat Miletich was doing karate before he entered the sport, Bas Rutten, Keith Hackney, Pat Smith, even Ron Van Clief.

I don't think any of that made anyone want to go take up karate, though. Especially since either a) those guys lost, or b) you definitely wouldn't look at them and say, "That guy does karate."

If anything, guys like Fred Ettish did a lot more detriment to TMAs than guys like Hackney did on the positive side.

TRUE STORY: When I joined up at the wado-ryu school one of the instructors was talking to me about how there aren't many new people who show up and how most people now seem to be interested in MMA instead of karate. I am actually the only white belt. The next closest ranking students are purple belts, about a year into training. But really, about 90% of the students are either brown or black belts and have been there for several years.

[Ludo]

I don't think any of that made anyone want to go take up karate, though. Especially since either a) those guys lost, or b) you definitely wouldn't look at them and say, "That guy does karate."

If anything, guys like Fred Ettish did a lot more detriment to TMAs than guys like Hackney did on the positive side.

TRUE STORY: When I joined up at the wado-ryu school one of the instructors was talking to me about how there aren't many new people who show up and how most people now seem to be interested in MMA instead of karate. I am actually the only white belt. The next closest ranking students are purple belts, about a year into training. But really, about 90% of the students are either brown or black belts and have been there for several years.

I would actually argue that TMA's did alot of the damage they have suffered to themselves. By not being regulated, by the spread of McDojo-ism, and through trying to make a distinction between MMA and TMA's. That "us and them" mentality perpetrated by many TMA instructors worked in creating a separation, just not for the better. I will say that MMA has had SOME part in all this, mainly that it gives essentially all credit to Muay Thai and Kickboxing rather than TMA's as a whole or in particular. But is that a direct result of many revered instructors speaking out against the sport as impure to begin with?

[SPX]

By not being regulated

What do you mean?

by the spread of McDojo-ism

I agree with this. There are a lot of shitty karate schools out there. In a way I actually blame the public. I've talked to a lot of martial arts instructors--many of which would like to be more hard core--but they say if they go that route then they won't be able to pay the bills. The bottom line is that most people WANT a relatively benign martial arts experience . . . something that will help them "stay in shape" but that won't be too difficult or require too much work or hurt too bad. So supply and demand.

. . . and through trying to make a distinction between MMA and TMA's. That "us and them" mentality perpetrated by many TMA instructors worked in creating a separation, just not for the better.

This really only happened after TMAs came under siege, so to speak.

[Ludo]

The regulation thing I was getting at the McDojo thing. Nobody was/is regulating those establishments and shit, there is nothing to help one determine what is a good school or isn't a good school to go to or who does and doesn't know what they're doing to the layman.

[SPX]

Well who's regulating Muay Thai schools?

[Ludo]

Well who's regulating Muay Thai schools?

Thailand.

[SPX]

BOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SPX]

[Luke]

It's just like any other profession in my eyes.I know a lot of cool guys who happen to be cops. Also know a lot of dicks.

[Ludo]

[Mr. IWS]

^^^^Bulz, those clips are always funny as shit.