How crazy is the current hot streak for favorites in the UFC?

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  • Svino
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2010
    • 3873

    How crazy is the current hot streak for favorites in the UFC?

    Pretty damn crazy.

    • If you bet just one unit on every favorite, you would be +10.4u for the year so far.
    • Dogs higher than +200 have gone 1-19, with the only win being Prater's DQ victory over Erick Silva.
    • Even if we neglect the vig, the odds that favorites overall would do this well (or better) by random chance is about 1 in 55.
    • With a simple model for removing the vig, the odds are more like 1 in 200.
    • A person who bet every favorite in my contest would be winning with a score of 5.98.


    To make comparisons to past years in the UFC, I have tabulated the average return on a 1-unit fixed-swing bet for different line ranges. With BookMaker's vig (I am using their closing lines), we would expect this value to be around -0.025 for a random bet.

    2010
    -116 to -199 = -0.088
    -200 to -249 = -0.051
    -300 to -399 = -0.047
    -400 to -599 = +0.074
    -600 and lower = -0.155
    All favorites: -0.060
    All dogs: +0.010

    2011
    -116 to -199 = -0.101
    -200 to -249 = +0.040
    -300 to -399 = +0.058
    -400 to -599 = +0.044
    -600 and lower = -0.238
    All favorites: -0.018
    All dogs: -0.031

    2012 so far
    All favorites: +0.140
    All dogs: -0.199

    • It's interesting to see that 2010, a year in which I formed many of my betting habits, was actually a nice year for dogs. A blind 1u bet on each underdog would have left you with +5.5u for the year.

    • 2011 was definitely a better year for favorites than 2011, with value overall in the -200 to -600 range.

    • There is obviously a lot of fluctuation with the values here, and possible analysis pitfalls with arbitrary binning / cherrypicking data and such. That said, I am curious if there is some staying power to the idea that -400 to -600 favorites are good bets, and favorites lighter than -200 are weak.

    • It doesn't even take that big an edge to be profitable. I had very good years in 2010 and 2011 with average returns on lines I bet of +0.064, and+0.051 (2012 so far: -0.032). The +0.14 return on all favorites so far is insane.

    • I still don't know what to make of all this. I don't know if there is something here that represents a change in the way the UFC, or bettors, or oddsmakers are doing things, or if it really is just chance. I am sure it can't be sustainable; bettors will start to change their plays if nothing else.
  • MMA_scientist
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2009
    • 9857

    #2
    Interesting, thanks for doing the work.

    I have been saying for a couple weeks that the lines just seem different to me, and I have actually been betting dogs a lot (which I have rarely done in the past). I think the lines makers might be adjusting the lines, making them a bit steeper. So far, I have to think it is just chance... there have been seveat least a few big dogs (Bisping) that could have been given decisions. Also, it seems like the UFC is making fewer mismatches lately, Oliveira/Wisely and Palhares/Massenzio are the only out and out squash matches I can think of so far in 2012 (there may be others though).

    I don't know, I hope it adjusts soon. I really don't want to see MMA lines end up looking like boxing lines (seems like it is common to see -1000 favorites every week in pretty major fights). Maybe the lines are sharper in boxing and the MMA gravy train is drying up... I think we will still figure out a way to beat the book, but it has been pretty damn easy since I started betting a few years ago.
    2012: +19.33
    2012 Parlay project: +16.5u

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    • SPX
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2009
      • 23875

      #3
      Good work there, detective!

      I know it's obvious, but I really think the key to being profitable with betting large favorites in the -300 to -500 range (-500 being my personal limit in ALMOST all cases) is to be selective. That is, make sure the line is justified and is not based on hype or that some legitimate way to win on the underdog's part is not being overlooked. So basically, does the dog really, truly have almost no way to win the fight?

      As long as you are good at making that assessment you should win more than you lose.
      Last edited by SPX; 02-17-2012, 08:47 PM.
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      • SPX
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2009
        • 23875

        #4
        BTW, Jay Silva choking out Grove is a perfect example of some shit that I would just never think would really happen.
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        • Ludo
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2010
          • 4931

          #5
          Well Grove does kind of suck.
          2013: +8.24u(increased unit size on 5/19)
          Favorites: 20-6 + 6.13u
          Underdogs: 10-19 -2.51u
          Ludo's Locks Parlay Project: +1.4u

          2012: +20.311u

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          • SPX
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2009
            • 23875

            #6
            He's actually a really competent fighter and borderlined UFC calibur.
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            • Ludo
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2010
              • 4931

              #7
              Originally posted by SPX
              He's actually a really competent fighter and borderlined UFC calibur.
              He's very hit or miss, though. His ability to take a shot in the most striker heavy division in the sport is astoundingly bad and he still hasn't filled into his frame yet(suggesting he probably won't ever do so). His length and height have allowed him to bridge certain skill gaps that he otherwise wouldn't have been able to overcome.
              2013: +8.24u(increased unit size on 5/19)
              Favorites: 20-6 + 6.13u
              Underdogs: 10-19 -2.51u
              Ludo's Locks Parlay Project: +1.4u

              2012: +20.311u

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              • SPX
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2009
                • 23875

                #8
                I agree he's hit or miss, but I would expect him to take care of someone like Jay Silva pretty much every time out.
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                • Luke
                  10 year vet
                  • Oct 2006
                  • 30060

                  #9
                  Originally posted by SPX
                  He's actually a really competent fighter and borderlined UFC calibur.

                  BOL


                  I guess you missed his stellar performance against Minowa
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                  • SPX
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 23875

                    #10
                    I did see him clearly whip Minowa's ass.
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                    • Luke
                      10 year vet
                      • Oct 2006
                      • 30060

                      #11
                      Originally posted by SPX
                      I did see him clearly whip Minowa's ass.

                      BOL,he arguably lost 1 rd.(or was that rd 2?)

                      Not to mention Minowa is a bum x2
                      Last edited by Luke; 02-17-2012, 07:00 PM.
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                      • Ludo
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2010
                        • 4931

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Luke
                        BOL,he arguably lost 1 rd.(or was that rd 2?)

                        Not to mention Minowa is a bum x2
                        All three judges had it 30-27 for Grove. Thats not losing a round.
                        2013: +8.24u(increased unit size on 5/19)
                        Favorites: 20-6 + 6.13u
                        Underdogs: 10-19 -2.51u
                        Ludo's Locks Parlay Project: +1.4u

                        2012: +20.311u

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                        • Luke
                          10 year vet
                          • Oct 2006
                          • 30060

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Ludo
                          All three judges had it 30-27 for Grove. Thats not losing a round.

                          Are you fukin stupid? I said arguably
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                          • Ludo
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2010
                            • 4931

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Luke
                            Are you fukin stupid? I said arguably
                            No, I was trolling you in the same sense you trolled X about the Machida/Jones fight. Way to keep a lid on it, hoss.
                            2013: +8.24u(increased unit size on 5/19)
                            Favorites: 20-6 + 6.13u
                            Underdogs: 10-19 -2.51u
                            Ludo's Locks Parlay Project: +1.4u

                            2012: +20.311u

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                            • Luke
                              10 year vet
                              • Oct 2006
                              • 30060

                              #15
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