UFC 146

[SPX]

Sucks bad enough that he won four straight coming into the UFC?

I think he just had a string of bad matchups. Think about it:

GSP - he's fucking GSP
Condit - Current interim champion
AJ - huge, good striker, strong wrestler who just took him down and laid on him
Lytle - tough veteran who was on a serious roll for almost all of the past two years

If Hardy had been fighting other mid-tier guys like Markham, Davis and Swick the whole time then he probably would've just kept winning.

[poopoo333]

Hardy was getting clowned on the feet by Lytle, Hardy landed like two hard punches the whole fight. I think Ludwig has the better striking than Hardy.

[SPX]

I still think you're wrong for saying Hardy sucks. . .

And do you not think Hardy can take Bang down?

[poopoo333]

Ok, Hardy doesn't "suck". He is just overrated for barely beating Marcus Davis and beating anorexic Mike Swick who has been on the verge of dying for like five straight years.

And I dunno. Last time Hardy tried a takedown he just got choked out immediately

[SPX]

Been a while since I've seen them, but I remember the Davis fight was largely on the ground and I'm pretty sure he took Swick down, too.

BTW, I thought he pretty clearly beat Davis. And Davis used to be really solid as long as he wasn't fighting a top guy. He was like 8-1 in the UFC when he fought Hardy and had wins over Lytle, Paul Kelly, Paul Taylor, Spratt. . .

[Ludo]

Hardy is pretty terrible. Almost no ground game, his striking isn't as technical as it should be for a guy who lacks KO power.

[SPX]

Hardy is pretty terrible. Almost no ground game, his striking isn't as technical as it should be for a guy who lacks KO power.

So I guess everyone he has beaten is also pretty terrible? So really, if you are not top 10 you are terrible?

Nice.

[Ludo]

So I guess everyone he has beaten is also pretty terrible? So really, if you are not top 10 you are terrible?

Nice.

Don't put words in My mouth. I didn't say anything about his opponents but yeah, aside from Marcus Davis(who he riled up with those 'your not really irish' remarks and likely took him off his game) the guys Hardy beat have been shit. Gono was long past his prime, Markham was never anything special and without a punctured lung Hardy may not have gotten his only UFC KO win to date that night. Mike Swick has fought once since losing to Hardy because he can't complete a camp without getting hurt.

If Hardy is good then what does he do well? He's a striker who isn't technical or powerful. Is he a brawler who barely knows what to do on the ground or is he a one dimensional bum in a division full of fighters who will eat him alive night in and night out?

[SPX]

I think that both the Davis win and the Swick win are quality. I don't understand what Swick's proneness to injury or illness has to do with how well he fights when he's actually in the cage. Swick gave Okami a hell of a fight. It was a good win.

And I actually think Hardy is a pretty accurate striker. I remember him landing some real sharp, precise strikes in the Swick fight.

Put Hardy in there against Matt Brown or someone similar and I think Hardy wins.

[Ludo]

I think that both the Davis win and the Swick win are quality. I don't understand what Swick's proneness to injury or illness has to do with how well he fights when he's actually in the cage. Swick gave Okami a hell of a fight. It was a good win.

And I actually think Hardy is a pretty accurate striker. I remember him landing some real sharp, precise strikes in the Swick fight.

Put Hardy in there against Matt Brown or someone similar and I think Hardy wins.

I guess we could put him in there with anyone who's tailor made for him like Matt Browne and he'd win. Would you pick him to beat Daniel Roberts, John Howard, or Ben Saunders? I know I wouldn't.

[SPX]

I guess we could put him in there with anyone who's tailor made for him like Matt Browne and he'd win. Would you pick him to beat Daniel Roberts, John Howard, or Ben Saunders? I know I wouldn't.

Roberts and Howard, for sure.

Saunders might give him some problems.

[Luke]

This conversation looks vaguely familiar

[SPX]

This conversation looks vaguely familiar

I continue to stand my ground.

[poopoo333]

I would favor any WW on the UFC roster, along with a lot of LWs over Hardy.

[Luke]

I would favor any WW on the UFC roster, along with a lot of LWs over Hardy.

I was yelled at for almost an hour last night, via texting, for calling Hardy a bum.