UFC 159

[edman5555]

How about Miller being overvalued? He is very good but Healy is no slouch. He has a lot of lossed but they were all earlier in his career. Lately he has been doing well. He gave Josh Thomson a run for his money. Josh arguably beat Gilber Melendez who arguably beat Bendo. I think Healy is pretty decent. I definetly dont want to pay -350 for miller. He'll probably win but Healy's record of 29 and 16 is misleading. It makes him look like he sucks but if you look it up on Wiki most of his losses were earlier in his career. I havent really seen any video on him but I read a play by play of him and Josh Thomson and he won the second round. Thomson is obviously talented, he knocked out nate the other night. Who ever would have imagined that? All said and done I could see Healy pulling out a very tight decision. I might be wrong about that. I am just going off of what I just wrote.

[SPX]

I suppose it was poetic justice, but I felt bad for Garcia when he got ripped off against Holloway. He won that fight. I hope he gets an old school Leonard Garcia KO here and puts McKenzie away.

[edman5555]

This sounds fucking insane, but...Garcia has value.

Cody's striking is fucking terrible and garcia is supposedly a brown belt in jiu jitsu. For what its worth he has had 26 fights and hes only been tapped out twice. He is relentlessly tough and training with Greg Jackson. You would think he could defend Mckenzie's seeeminly only super effective form of attack. That said Mckenzie could come out with something else. I don't think he can outstrike Leonard. I also don't think his wrestling is anything to write home about. If he can somehow get leonard down and in a bad position I could see him pulling something off. Whatever you want to say about Mckenzie, he certainly has the wherewithall to pull off a submission under pressure. He had Yves Edwards in trouble on the ground. If he can get the fight there, he has a shot. I don't count him out of this at all but I see what your saying Poopoo. Leonard Garcia definetly has value. I hope his line gets better. I will bet him.

[Luke]

Garcia at -170? I mean, is that a bet anyone could make with a clear conscience?

I couldnt make that bet if I was drunk

[SPX]

Garcia at -170? I mean, is that a bet anyone could make with a clear conscience?

[poopoo333]

This sounds fucking insane, but...Garcia has value.

[zY|]

He can fight that way if he wants. I wouldn't be suprised if roy got him down and had trouble holding him down.

Every time he fights that way he either gets knocked out or almost knocked out. The dude has serious power and great technique in his counters (eg Barry, Cain fights) but he has no defense and gets cracked in the face all the time.

-10000 Roy's gut jiggles really funny when Kongo knees him in the nuts in the clinch.

[zY|]

I could see kongo doing well at range. Mir did well at range with roy. Werdum pretty much dismantled him standing. I dont see why kongo cant do it. He could obviously get knocked out.

Did Mir do well at range with Roy? I don't remember; I only watched that fight once. I seem to remember Mir tossing him around, taking him down often, and positionally dominating him on the ground.

[SPX]

Wow, not sure I expected Garcia to be the favorite, especially that big of one.

[SPX]

[edman5555]

He can fight that way if he wants. I wouldn't be suprised if roy got him down and had trouble holding him down.

[poopoo333]

If Kongo stays at range, Roy is going to blow his fucking doors off. This is absolutely going to be a clinch fight. That's how Kongo likes to fight.

Agreed. Everybody labels Kongo as some sort of kickboxer...that's not how he fights.

[Vandelay]

lines out.

[Ludo]

I could see kongo doing well at range. Mir did well at range with roy. Werdum pretty much dismantled him standing. I dont see why kongo cant do it. He could obviously get knocked out.

Because he needs to get inside or all the way outside. Mir had the luxury of being both a better striker and as good or better on the ground than Roy. Kongo doesn't have the same luxury. He may very well be almost as good in the clinch but he's nowhere near as good on the ground and that's going to be something Roy pushes for if they clinch up.

[edman5555]

I could see kongo doing well at range. Mir did well at range with roy. Werdum pretty much dismantled him standing. I dont see why kongo cant do it. He could obviously get knocked out.