UFC 158 MArch 16th

[poopoo333]

I could see that happening Svino...another thing that I think is a factor in this fight is even if Chael gets him down..he is in danger with Jones' guard..he has the limbs to wrap Sonnen up for sure but that's only speculation on my part. Also, Sonnen has poor defensive wrestling compared to his offensive wrestling which people may overlook. It kind of reminds me of Rick Story.

[edman5555]

Why do you think he will end up on top?

[Svino]

Speaking of Jones...serious question here. Will Chael be able to put him on his back at least once? I don't think we have really seen anybody actually try/commit to a takedown on Jones more than once.

O'Brien tried several serious shots on Jones. Obviously, they didn't work out. Chael's shot is better, certainly, but I think with Jones what might happen a lot is that an committed but unsuccessful TD attempt could end up with Jones on top on the ground, instead of just bouncing back up to neutral standing.

[Luke]

Right after the event I put on twitter that I'd like to see GSP-Hendricks, Rory-Mein II, and Diaz-Condit II on the next Canadian card and that Maia-Ellenberger should be for #1 contender status

[Luke]

Go fuck yourself.

Talk to me like that again and I'll burn your house down

[MMA_scientist]

All this power vs. technique stuff is why I thought Carwin was a good bet at +150 over JDS.

That said, I haven't learned my lesson and I still think there's truth in it, especially with bigger guys.

Well, JDS does have some power too. He has melted a few guys himself.

[Svino]

All this power vs. technique stuff is why I thought Carwin was a good bet at +150 over JDS.

That said, I haven't learned my lesson and I still think there's truth in it, especially with bigger guys.

[SPX]

BTW, regarding Garcia, I do think he deserves credit in his last fight against Holloway. He fought a much better fight than he usually does. He should've won against a guy that I think only Edman gave him much of a chance against. In a rare irony, he got robbed.

[SPX]

I guess we should maybe define "technical." The way I see it is that if a guy is able to throw accurate strikes that land where he intends them to while employing good defense in the process, then he is a pretty good technical striker. This is, of course, in comparison to someone like Leonard Garcia who throws a lot of wild shit, misses a lot, and basically just hopes something will land.

With Jones, I definitely think he's unorthodox, but he lands a very high percentage of his strikes while not getting hit much in return. Regardless of how it is that he's doing it, he's getting it done.

[MMA_scientist]

Yes, well I'd say it sounds like you're kind of approaching it from a "boxing" standpoint. Think about Machida. I certainly don't think you'd say he employs a "classical technical style" in the boxing sense, but you certainly couldn't say he's not technical.

As for Jones dropping someone, not that I can think off the top of my head. But Edgar doesn't drop a lot of guys either.

But you would say that Machida is employing a classical karate style. I don't think I have seen many guys striking like Jones, so I would say he is an unorthodox striker. I suppose he is more effective than I originally gave him credit for. Cruz is the same way I guess.

[SPX]

I guess. I think his length helps him a lot, and the fact that you can't get to close to him or he will throw you on your head. He certainly doesn't win striking exchanges with his power. I guess you could say he is technical, but he doesn't have a very classical technical style... I don't think he moves his feet that well, and he doesn't roll with punches or evade real well. I don't think he has ever dropped someone has he?

Yes, well I'd say it sounds like you're kind of approaching it from a "boxing" standpoint. Think about Machida. I certainly don't think you'd say he employs a "classical technical style" in the boxing sense, but you certainly couldn't say he's not technical.

As for Jones dropping someone, not that I can think off the top of my head. But Edgar doesn't drop a lot of guys either.

[poopoo333]

Speaking of Jones...serious question here. Will Chael be able to put him on his back at least once? I don't think we have really seen anybody actually try/commit to a takedown on Jones more than once.

[MMA_scientist]

As for Jones, I definitely think he is very technical. Seems like almost anything he throws lands.

I guess. I think his length helps him a lot, and the fact that you can't get to close to him or he will throw you on your head. He certainly doesn't win striking exchanges with his power. I guess you could say he is technical, but he doesn't have a very classical technical style... I don't think he moves his feet that well, and he doesn't roll with punches or evade real well. I don't think he has ever dropped someone has he?

That's interesting, coming from you. But I think I agree. Maybe he'd defend it twice.

I thought Kos beat him, though.

Well he would probably fight Rory in his first defense, and he would most likely lose that or immediate rematch with GSP. So I guess it would depend who he fought.

[SPX]

I agree with most of that. But I don't know if Cain is an exceptionally technical striker. Jon Jones is long, but I wouldn't say he is an excellent kickboxer. I don't know, it seems to me the most important factor in dominance is being able to force your strength on your opponent, whatever that may be.

I would say in terms of technical striking ability, Cain is probably at the bottom of the list of all the champs. But I have still seen some things from him that required a lot of precision, like the combo he landed on Nog to knock Nog out.

As for Jones, I definitely think he is very technical. Seems like almost anything he throws lands.

I do agree that guys that are not as technically sound tend to come and go much quicker. If Hendricks wins the belt, I don't think he will defend it more than once. One one hand, he has only lost once, and that was close... but on the other hand, he couldve lost to Kos and Condit, and Pierce. I wouldn't favor him much over Kos, Pierce, or Condit in a rematch, if at all. I would favor him over Story now, but I wouldn't rule out Story beating him.

That's interesting, coming from you. But I think I agree. Maybe he'd defend it twice.

I thought Kos beat him, though.

[MMA_scientist]

I think Maia could take Ellenberger down..did you see what he did to Fitch? Granted...Fitch has shown shitty defensive wrestling in the past, but Ellenberger does not have the best cardio. I think if Maia forces a grappling match for 1.5 rounds or so, Ellenberger will tire and his power won't be as effective.

Yeah, just Ellenberger hits a lot harder than Fitch. I think Ellenberger might be slightly better wrestler too. I will say that Ellenberger had his hands full with Rocha when they fought. But Maia gets tired too, he gasses out about midway through round 2 in virtually every fight. He didn't gas against Fitch though, so maybe it was an issue of fighting bigger guys.