UFC 161

[edman5555]

I am surprised at nelsons line. -260 to beat stipe micocic? I guess he could take roy down but I don't think roys wrestling is all that bad. I also like Jimmo to beat pokrajac. Another nice line at -250.

[edman5555]

Ill take chael in a five round fight.

[poopoo333]

I think they are gonna try and make this fight headline the Boston card in August..the Fox Sports one. That means it will be a 5 round fight.

[MMA_scientist]

I need to see Shogun sub SOMEBODY before I start even really considering that part of his arsenal. He only has ONE submission win in his entire career.

I agree. I wouldn't rely on a submission. I just think he may be able to sweep him or catch him coming in or something. I think he will figure it out. Hypothetically, of course, because the fight is not happening...

[SPX]

I need to see Shogun sub SOMEBODY before I start even really considering that part of his arsenal. He only has ONE submission win in his entire career.

[Thewisemann]

I don't think the fight is happening. But if it does good chance Shogun subs him.

[MMA_scientist]

You think Shogun can stop the takedowns?

Maybe. But I think he has a pretty good shot even if he can't stop the TD. Size helps quite a bit on TDs. I am not convinced Sonnen is going to be able to take down 205ers the same way he did at 185. But I think there is a good chance Shogun finds an opening at some point either way. That said, Shogun will probably gas out about 2 minutes in.

[Ludo]

What Jordan said.

[poopoo333]

^^it's in Canada breh

[edman5555]

http://www.mmajunkie.com/news/2013/06/visa-issues-reportedly-scrap-sonnen-rua-at-ufc-161-jimmo-pokrajac-head-to-main

Sonnen is a felon so he can't get a visa to go to Brazil. Ryan Jimmo vs Igor Pokrajac is the main event. Jimmo should win that one.

[edman5555]

This will be decided on the mat. Shogun by sub or Sonnen by dec.

This. I remember Shogun trying to stop Coleman from taking him down and sort of failing. Machida took him down a couple of times in their second fight.

[Thewisemann]

This will be decided on the mat. Shogun by sub or Sonnen by dec.

[zY|]

Shogun wins in the first round or he doesn't win.

[SPX]

You think Shogun can stop the takedowns?

[MMA_scientist]

I think Shogun will win. Curious on the line.