UFC 162

[poopoo333]

Silva -175/Weidman +145 opener on sportsbook

Silva -140/Weidman +100 opener on 5 dimes

[Luke]

-140 is way too low . I expect -175 or higher to be the true line when it settles

[MMA_scientist]

Roger. Looks like the weight cut got to him

http://www.graciemag.com/2013/07/roger-gracie-thought-he-was-going-to-collapse-in-ufc-162-loss/

[edman5555]

I read that earlier. He can still be a good fighter at middleweight. He just needs to gain some experience.

[Luke]

Roger. Looks like the weight cut got to him

http://www.graciemag.com/2013/07/rog...-ufc-162-loss/

Yeah, but what's his excuse for having Kennedy's back for almost 3 minutes and not being able to sink in a choke?

[Svino]

Yeah, but what's his excuse for having Kennedy's back for almost 3 minutes and not being able to sink in a choke?

According to the article, he blames the gloves.

But I think Kennedy is a pretty hard guy to submit.

[Svino]

Ultimately, I see Roger's ability to survive in the UFC as being dependent on whether he can fix his stamina and maybe improve his takedowns a little. It's OK that his striking sucks, but he needs to be able to win control-based decisions over 15 min like Maia did over Fitch if he wants to survive, because he can't rely on being able to submit everyone at this level.

[edman5555]

So did everyone score the first round for gracie?

[MMA_scientist]

So did everyone score the first round for gracie?

Gracie definitely won the first round. There is no way Kennedy won that round under any criteria. He got taken down multiple times and he spent half the round with Roger on his back.

[edman5555]

So annoying. I wish gambling was legal, we had a gamblers union and we could sue all the shitty judges for fucking us. That said, if won some bullshit decisions so i shouldnt complain. I still will though.

[Svino]

So did everyone score the first round for gracie?

You can see how the journalists scored it:

http://www.mmadecisions.com/decision.jsp?id=4327

[edman5555]

Insane.

[MMA_scientist]

Insane.

It is criminal how uninformed MMA judges are. After talking to some other clueless people, the only plausible explanation is that Kennedy was on "top" of Roger, even though Roger was on his back. I ran into a supposedly trained grappler that couldn't differentiate between being mounted and having guard. To him, they were both "a guy on top of a guy". So I can only assume that since Roger was underneath holding the back, the judges mustve seen "a guy top of a guy" and scored it as such.

Sadly, I really do think it is that bad.

[SPX]

So . . . that Anderson Silva . . . he never really was very good, was he?

[poopoo333]

So . . . that Anderson Silva . . . he never really was very good, was he?

One of the greatest of all time.