BJ Penn is fucking back!!!

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  • SPX
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 23875

    #16
    Originally posted by edman5555
    If bj couldnt beat him at 155 i have a lot of trouble thinking he can win at 145. Hes going to gas faster and frankie will still have the same amount of energy.
    Right, because his cardio wasn't better at 155 than 170. . .
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    • edman5555
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2010
      • 6628

      #17
      What do you mean? Bj will have to make a bigger weight cut than frankie so he will probably gas faster then he did at 155.
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      • SPX
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2009
        • 23875

        #18
        I mean, all evidence suggests that a smaller BJ = a BJ with better cardio.

        At 170 he guessed in like every fight he ever had. At 155 he went into the championship rounds regularly and looked fine.
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        • edman5555
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2010
          • 6628

          #19
          He was also fighting and wrestling bigger guys at 170. That wears you out more. Not to mention it was odd for him to move up to 170. I cant help but wonder if he did it to avoid cutting weight.
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          • SPX
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2009
            • 23875

            #20
            Well he's openly said that he hates cutting weight so I'm sure that's part of it. But I also think he felt that the glory was greater at 170 than at 155.

            Also, he's obsessed with beating GSP.
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            • SPX
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2009
              • 23875

              #21
              I think the key for BJ to get in the proper shape is to start NOW. Losing weight is not rocket science. Eat less and exercise.

              He has the whole time the show is shooting and airing to make this change and he needs to take it seriously and not dick around.
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              • Mr. IWS
                215 Hustler
                • Sep 2006
                • 98671

                #22
                Originally posted by SPX

                You know what, I'm going to send my elite squad of BJ, Pulver and Serra to your house to have a little chat with you.
                I see what you didnt do there.

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                • MMA_scientist
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2009
                  • 9857

                  #23
                  WTF is this bullshit.
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                  • Mr. IWS
                    215 Hustler
                    • Sep 2006
                    • 98671

                    #24
                    Originally posted by SPX
                    I think the key for BJ to get in the proper shape is to start NOW. Losing weight is not rocket science. Eat less and exercise.
                    I been saying this shit for years. Look, BJ is one of my all time favs, but the game has passed him by.

                    In fact, all my favs seem to be bums anymore, which is probably why I dont watch MMA as much as I used to.
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                    • poopoo333
                      MMA *********
                      • Jan 2010
                      • 18302

                      #25
                      Frankie is just better than BJ.

                      Also, BJ is supposedly 165 right now. If he gasses due to a 25 lb weight cut 7 months from now I will LOL. He will probably only have to actually "cut" 10 lbs tops.

                      Oh, and just because he is lighter doesn't necessarily mean his cardio will drastically be better. He tired out against Kenny Florian. I swear most people are basing their opinions on BJ off of the Diego fight.

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                      • edman5555
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2010
                        • 6628

                        #26
                        Bj penns skilld are not outdated. He is still very good at jiu jitsu, a good wrestler st least defensively amd he has good boxing.
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                        • SPX
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 23875

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Mr. IWS
                          I see what you didnt do there.

                          BOL
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                          • SPX
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 23875

                            #28
                            Originally posted by MMA_scientist
                            WTF is this bullshit.
                            What?
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                            • SPX
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 23875

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Mr. IWS
                              I been saying this shit for years. Look, BJ is one of my all time favs, but the game has passed him by.
                              Has it really passed him by or has he just been fighting some really good fighting guys lately, as well as fighting outside of his real weight class?

                              Maybe BJ couldn't beat guys like Pettis or Henderson, but that just means he's not at the tippity top of the division anymore. But I bet he could beat Gray Maynard, or Jim Miller or Nate Diaz. I bet he could beat Cerrone or Pat Healy. And beating guys like that would put him solidly in the top 10. How is being a top 10 fighter not good?

                              He just needs to learn the value of stepping down the ladder and getting some Ws from time to time. But he wants to be in a championship fight, or a title eliminator, every time he goes out there.


                              Originally posted by Mr. IWS
                              In fact, all my favs seem to be bums anymore, which is probably why I dont watch MMA as much as I used to.
                              Seems like a vicious cycle. You don't watch because your favorites are all in the twilight of their careers. But because you're not watching you're not picking up new favorites to care about.
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                              • SPX
                                Senior Member
                                • Aug 2009
                                • 23875

                                #30
                                Originally posted by poopoo333
                                Also, BJ is supposedly 165 right now. If he gasses due to a 25 lb weight cut 7 months from now I will LOL. He will probably only have to actually "cut" 10 lbs tops.
                                He can make the weight but he needs to restrict his calories and train his ass off. So, you know, be disciplined.


                                Originally posted by poopoo333
                                Oh, and just because he is lighter doesn't necessarily mean his cardio will drastically be better. He tired out against Kenny Florian. I swear most people are basing their opinions on BJ off of the Diego fight.
                                His cardio has always been better--drastically better--at LW than WW. At WW after the first round he is on the verge of suffocating. In LW he may slow down a bit in rounds 4 and 5 but even in those rounds he looks MUCH better than he does in round 2 at 170.
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