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  • edman5555
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2010
    • 6628

    #46
    Faber vs Barao:

    Going to have to side with Barao in this one. As good as Faber has looked he lost a five round unanimous decision to Barao about a year ago. I'm sure he has improved since then but then again Barao has likely improved as well. I think Faber is getting so much credit for his four fight win streak but if you look at it you don't really see anything that demonstrates huge improvement in his game. He basically outgrappled Menjivar and Alcantara. That's the norm for him, nothing new there. He beat Jorgensen on the feet but frankly not by very much in my opinion. I could be misremembering that one but I don't recall him doing anything that impressive standing. That's the fight that makes me want to bet on Barao. It wasn't until Jorgensen basically gassed in round four that Faber was able to get him down and choke him out. Versus Mcdonald he looked good standing but that could be in part to Mcdonald being taken down in round one and being afraid to engage standing. In addition I think it was really just one shot that landed on Mcdonald standing that made the difference. I think Barao is still on a whole other level standing and his grappling could very well be better than Fabers. At least good enough that if Faber gets him down he will be safe and have a decent shot at getting back to his feet.

    Aldo/ Lamas:

    I don't see Lamas having the striking to get inside on Aldo. I'm not going to go into this one too much because I think we all probably figure Aldo wins it.

    Reem/Mir:

    I think this fight is Reems to lose so most likely that means he loses. I like the fact that he has decided to drop some weight to improve his cardio. That should help him against Mir. I don't like the fact that he mentioned in an interview that he might grapple with Mir. I know Reem is a competent grappler but Mir can obviously catch him and it seems like a pointless risk to take. Standing he is miles ahead of Mir.

    Cariaso/Martinez:

    Martinez is a better wrestler than Cariaso and probably a little bigger. His striking is somewhat rudimentary and I think his jiu jitsu is probably not very good though its sort of hard to evaluate. I only have two fights to go by. One against Jussier de Formiga and the other against Davey Grant. Formiga is so good at Jiu jitsu its hard to really knock Martinez for being outgrappled but its worth noting he did lose the wrestling against him. Cariaso did as well so theres not much to take from that. Martinez did tapped out by Davey Grant after a very long struggle to get a takedown against him that spanned almost two rounds. Grant doesn't have a wrestling background but he is a big strong guy in comparison to Cariaso. This fight is really tough to tell in my opinion. I think Cariaso should win the standup and be hard to hold down due to his guard being very active. Martinez doesn't seem to be a very good fighter overall but he might be good enough to hold Cariaso down. It might come down to what kind of ref the fight has and how they feel about stand ups. Tough call. I wanted to bet Cariaso but the lay and pray potential scares me.

    I would appreciate any insight on Danny Martinez and Cariaso.
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    • MMA_scientist
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2009
      • 9857

      #47
      With regard to Faber/Barao... The only fight that Faber might have lost even on a bad day was the MacDonald fight. The other guys- those all are guys that he should have beaten (to his credit, he did). MacDonald, he looked good, but I just don't see it as a big enough thing to think that he is now going to beat Barao, who won pretty much every second of their last fight. Faber was never in that fight IIRC.

      Mir/Reem- Agree that the style favors Reem, but neither of these guys are guys that I am going to bet anything on, ever. No outcome would surprise me there. Reem is probably mostly off the juice, and Mir is on it, so probably Mir by superior testosterone level.
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      • Luke
        10 year vet
        • Oct 2006
        • 30060

        #48
        I honestly hope Mir takes Reem down and submits his
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        • MMA_scientist
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2009
          • 9857

          #49
          I wouldn't mid seeing it, but if Werdum and Brock couldn't take him down, I am kind of doubting Mir can.
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          • edman5555
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2010
            • 6628

            #50
            Reem made a comment about grappling with mir. If i had money on him i would be concerned that he might go for a takedown. Mir also mentioned that he would pull guard if reem gets him up against the fence. While im not worried that reem couldnt avoid being pulled to the ground i am worried that he might willingly go there. He did sit in werdums guard so who the hell knows what he will do. He also wrestled with bigfoot. You would think with his cardio problems he would just go out there and tet to outstrike his opponents. Do the old sprawl and brawl. Instead he engages in clinch fighting and wrestling. I know he had great knees from the clinch but damn its almost gauranteed that he will gas.
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            • edman5555
              Senior Member
              • Apr 2010
              • 6628

              #51
              Originally posted by MMA_scientist
              With regard to Faber/Barao... The only fight that Faber might have lost even on a bad day was the MacDonald fight. The other guys- those all are guys that he should have beaten (to his credit, he did). MacDonald, he looked good, but I just don't see it as a big enough thing to think that he is now going to beat Barao, who won pretty much every second of their last fight. Faber was never in that fight IIRC.

              Mir/Reem- Agree that the style favors Reem, but neither of these guys are guys that I am going to bet anything on, ever. No outcome would surprise me there. Reem is probably mostly off the juice, and Mir is on it, so probably Mir by superior testosterone level.
              Yeah thats basically whatim saying about faber. He hasnt becme amazing in the past year he has just improved his striking a little bit and fouht guys who were never as good as him to begin with.
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              • Mr. IWS
                215 Hustler
                • Sep 2006
                • 99891

                #52
                Originally posted by Luke
                I honestly hope Mir takes Reem down and submits his
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                • MMA_scientist
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2009
                  • 9857

                  #53
                  I now predict that Reem will stop Mir in rd 1. I mean, Mir gets KO'd from clinch strikes, and he can't even take a shot from Barnett, who has no power. How is going to take even 1 mule kick from Overeem. There is no way.... Mir is getting KO'd.
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                  • poopoo333
                    MMA *********
                    • Jan 2010
                    • 18302

                    #54
                    I love the under 1.5 rds here...even at -220

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                    • edman5555
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2010
                      • 6628

                      #55
                      Originally posted by MMA_scientist
                      I now predict that Reem will stop Mir in rd 1. I mean, Mir gets KO'd from clinch strikes, and he can't even take a shot from Barnett, who has no power. How is going to take even 1 mule kick from Overeem. There is no way.... Mir is getting KO'd.
                      I want to bet reem tko but my concern is that he may come out conservative. Mir almost made it to the end of round two with JDS. Reem is coming off of multiple gassings. It's conceivable that reem doesn't want to rush mir and try to take him out. Just a thought.
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                      • edman5555
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2010
                        • 6628

                        #56
                        I am on Rashid Magomedov and Chris Cariaso by the way. Incase anyone cared.
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                        • edman5555
                          Senior Member
                          • Apr 2010
                          • 6628

                          #57
                          Originally posted by edman5555
                          Faber vs Barao:

                          Going to have to side with Barao in this one. As good as Faber has looked he lost a five round unanimous decision to Barao about a year ago. I'm sure he has improved since then but then again Barao has likely improved as well. I think Faber is getting so much credit for his four fight win streak but if you look at it you don't really see anything that demonstrates huge improvement in his game. He basically outgrappled Menjivar and Alcantara. That's the norm for him, nothing new there. He beat Jorgensen on the feet but frankly not by very much in my opinion. I could be misremembering that one but I don't recall him doing anything that impressive standing. That's the fight that makes me want to bet on Barao. It wasn't until Jorgensen basically gassed in round four that Faber was able to get him down and choke him out. Versus Mcdonald he looked good standing but that could be in part to Mcdonald being taken down in round one and being afraid to engage standing. In addition I think it was really just one shot that landed on Mcdonald standing that made the difference. I think Barao is still on a whole other level standing and his grappling could very well be better than Fabers. At least good enough that if Faber gets him down he will be safe and have a decent shot at getting back to his feet.

                          Aldo/ Lamas:

                          I don't see Lamas having the striking to get inside on Aldo. I'm not going to go into this one too much because I think we all probably figure Aldo wins it.

                          Reem/Mir:

                          I think this fight is Reems to lose so most likely that means he loses. I like the fact that he has decided to drop some weight to improve his cardio. That should help him against Mir. I don't like the fact that he mentioned in an interview that he might grapple with Mir. I know Reem is a competent grappler but Mir can obviously catch him and it seems like a pointless risk to take. Standing he is miles ahead of Mir.

                          Cariaso/Martinez:

                          Martinez is a better wrestler than Cariaso and probably a little bigger. His striking is somewhat rudimentary and I think his jiu jitsu is probably not very good though its sort of hard to evaluate. I only have two fights to go by. One against Jussier de Formiga and the other against Davey Grant. Formiga is so good at Jiu jitsu its hard to really knock Martinez for being outgrappled but its worth noting he did lose the wrestling against him. Cariaso did as well so theres not much to take from that. Martinez did tapped out by Davey Grant after a very long struggle to get a takedown against him that spanned almost two rounds. Grant doesn't have a wrestling background but he is a big strong guy in comparison to Cariaso. This fight is really tough to tell in my opinion. I think Cariaso should win the standup and be hard to hold down due to his guard being very active. Martinez doesn't seem to be a very good fighter overall but he might be good enough to hold Cariaso down. It might come down to what kind of ref the fight has and how they feel about stand ups. Tough call. I wanted to bet Cariaso but the lay and pray potential scares me.

                          I would appreciate any insight on Danny Martinez and Cariaso.
                          Adding Rashid Magomedov vs Tony Martin:

                          Martin is primarily a grappler that looks to have pretty solid wrestling and jiu jitsu. His striking doesn't look to be very developed. No wins by ko, 6 out of 8 wins by submission. Basically he gets the fight to the ground and tries to sub his opponent. Most of his opponents have had shitty records. His best win is a majority decision over Phillipe Nover whom he outsized by a significant proportion.

                          Magomedov has solid striking and very good takedown defense. He is the former M1 champion. His last fight was against a Russian freestyle wrestling champion/master of sports. He was somewhat outwrestled for the first two rounds. He was eventually taken down after putting up a very good fight. The last three rounds he did much better. He won a unanimous decision. This fight was at 170 pounds. Magomedov is only about 5'9'' and is now making the cut to 155 pounds. I think he should be able to go the distance without gassing. He appears to be a counterstriker which should bode well for him in this fight. Since martins striking isn't very good and he will most likely have to chain takedown attempts together for three rounds he will probably have to run forward and hope for some luck. I figure Magomedov should be able to counter him pretty effectively and fend off most if not all of the takedowns. He stopped the other guys takedowns(Alexander Yakovlev ) so I would think he should be able to stop Martin.

                          Alexander Yakovlev:
                          All-Russian Wrestling Federation Medalist Russian Freestyle Wrestling Championships
                          Also a master of sports in sambo and combat sambo. AKA a pretty good fighter. He is coming off of a win over Paul Daley.
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                          • Mr. IWS
                            215 Hustler
                            • Sep 2006
                            • 99891

                            #58
                            Originally posted by edman5555
                            I am on Rashid Magomedov and Chris Cariaso by the way. Incase anyone cared.
                            Good luck homie
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                            • edman5555
                              Senior Member
                              • Apr 2010
                              • 6628

                              #59
                              Originally posted by Mr. IWS
                              Good luck homie
                              Thanks.
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                              • Svino
                                Senior Member
                                • Mar 2010
                                • 3873

                                #60
                                Originally posted by edman5555
                                Reem made a comment about grappling with mir. If i had money on him i would be concerned that he might go for a takedown.
                                It rarely pays to take what fighters say about their gameplan at face value. They're playing the throw-my-opponent-off-the-scent game as often as not.

                                By all rights, Overeem should shove Mir up against the fence and crumple him with uppercuts and knees. I'm not laying -400 money on a chinny HW with a bad gas tank, though.

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