Looks like we might finally get JDS vs Reem

[SPX]

Cain did show up and act like Cain, though. Werdum just had the tools to neutralize all three of Cains gameplans. After that he just didn't know what else to do. Getting the shit beat out of you is way more tiring than dominating.

I thought Cain looked like himself during the first round, which he actually won. But then he gassed. I really don't think you can say the Cain we saw in Mexico is the same Cain that usually goes five rounds with ease.

[edman5555]

Stipe is a lot better than people give him credit for. I'd pick him to beat JDS in a rematch.

Its gonna be hard for Reem to go 3 complete rounds without getting caught. He was even hurt by Roy in his last fight, and that was the smartest I've ever seen him fight. I just don't think he has the gas tank to play perfect defense for 3 rds.

Yeah Reem is basically f'd by the toxic equation of lack of cardio and lack of chin. It's a shame too because he is one the more skilled heavyweights.

[Luke]

Yeah Reem is basically f'd by the toxic equation of lack of cardio and lack of chin. It's a shame too because he is one the more skilled heavyweights.

If he had a JDS chin, he'd be champ

[Ludo]

I thought Cain looked like himself during the first round, which he actually won. But then he gassed. I really don't think you can say the Cain we saw in Mexico is the same Cain that usually goes five rounds with ease.

We've never seen Cain's entire game shut down like that before in one round before, either, though. Like I said before getting your ass kicked is more tiring than dominating. He tried to do the JDS, but Werdum counters with the thai clinch, and knees to the body for his troubles. He tries taking Werdum down, and even ends up in side control right off the bat, but very quickly realizes he has to abandon the ground because he can't advance, or keep Werdum from regaining guard. He then tries his last ditch effort, kickboxing with a longer, rangier, more diverse striker, who proceeds to light his ass up. Cain may have won the first round, but if ever there was a pyrrhic victory, that was it.

[Ludo]

Yeah Reem is basically f'd by the toxic equation of lack of cardio and lack of chin. It's a shame too because he is one the more skilled heavyweights.

How does he have a lack of chin? Of the guys who have KO/TKO'd Overeem in mma, only one of them isn't known as a heavy hitter/straight killer, an that's Arona, who also had good power when he wasn't trying to dive for legs and drag people to the mat so he could have his way with them and never call them again.

[Mr. IWS]

I (do not) Love Reem here

[SPX]

. . . and that's Arona, who also had good power when he wasn't trying to dive for legs and drag people to the mat so he could have his way with them and never call them again.

. . . literally fuck them in the ass right in the middle of the cage.

[edman5555]

How does he have a lack of chin? Of the guys who have KO/TKO'd Overeem in mma, only one of them isn't known as a heavy hitter/straight killer, an that's Arona, who also had good power when he wasn't trying to dive for legs and drag people to the mat so he could have his way with them and never call them again.

Fair enough. He's still been tko'd 10 times in MMA and I'm sure that the eleventh tko is on its' way.

[Ludo]

Fair enough. He's still been tko'd 10 times in MMA and I'm sure that the eleventh tko is on its' way.

Of course it is, but for as long as he's been fighting(since 1997) and the guys he's fought, if he had a "bad" chin he'd have more than that. He had no trouble surviving when he fought Vitor(twice), Igor, Kharitonov(the first time), Hunt, Rogers, Duffee, or Nelson. Nelson did hurt him, yes, but he ate several right hands off Roy and had no trouble with them before the last one in the third round wobbled him.

He basically has a fight against another power hitter where he won for every power hitter he lost to.

[SPX]

The thing is, you have other guys like JDS, Hunt and Nelson himself who can just take shot after shot and it makes guys with chins like Overeem and Mir look pretty mediocre by comparison.

[zY|]

The thing about Overeem is that once he's hurt, it almost always ends with him being sprawled out on the canvas. He is one of the worst at recovering from a hard shot. I think the Roy fight is the only time I've seen him get wobbled and not be brutally knocked out seconds later.

[Luke]

The thing about Overeem is that once he's hurt, it almost always ends with him being sprawled out on the canvas. He is one of the worst at recovering from a hard shot. I think the Roy fight is the only time I've seen him get wobbled and not be brutally knocked out seconds later.

I really don't think he was hurt that bad vs Roy. Joe Rogan sold it pretty good, though....HE HURT HIM!!!!.....HE"S IN TROUBLE

[Ludo]

The thing is, you have other guys like JDS, Hunt and Nelson himself who can just take shot after shot and it makes guys with chins like Overeem and Mir look pretty mediocre by comparison.

Yes but Hunt/Nelson are more the exception than the rule. Through history we've only seen 4 or 5 heavyweights who were almost impossible to hurt badly with one shot. Roy Nelson, Mark Hunt, Minotauro Nogueira, Cabbage Correira, and maybe Igor Vovchanchyn.

Overeem does have abysmal reactions to being hurt, and his defense isn't great for a guy as good at striking as he is, that much is a given. I just don't feel it's a "chin" issue when the guy is fighting in a division where literally everyone has enough power to change the course of a fight in one punch/kick, no matter how far down the rankings they are.

When you look at the list of guys who KO/TKO'd Overeem, none of them are really surprising other than Arona. The fact that they KO/TKO'd Overeem isn't surprising because of Overeem, it's not surprising because they made careers out of doing that same thing to a majority of their opponents.