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Rory Markham's not a can.
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Why the fuck is he a can? Because he lost to Dan Hardy?Originally posted by IWS ZakI heart cockComment
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I think anyone can be knocked out by a punch delved solidly to the jaw by a trained boxer of their size. Guys that convince themselves otherwise just because they've never been KO'd before are probably about to let their hubris guide them to La-La land. [see: Tom Lawlor -> Dave Kaplan]
I'm always skeptical of what people say about a fighter's chin unless I can tell exactly how they came to their conclusion. It's a huge source of myths for a lot of reasons:
1) Small sample size, combined with the relative infrequency of KOs means that the data is buried in noise. Sure, you can name fighters who never get KO'd, but here's the catch - even if every fighter had an exactly average chin, you would expect to be able to do the same thing! Some guys would do better just by chance.
2) There's "confirmation bias" all over the place. The data is hard to interpret, and people will see what they already believe. A fighter gets rocked by a punch, but recovers. If you think he has a good chin you say "Wow, did you see that? Anyone else would have been knocked out!" If you think he has a weak one, you say, "I can't believe that guy almost got knocked out *again*!"
3) It's hard to tell just how dangerous a punch actually is, especially at full speed from only one camera angle. So much depends on exactly how the strike hits the head. That shot that looked like a killer ultra-power-blow might not have actually been all that likely to knock anyone out, even a guy with a weak chin. On the other hand, a shot that looks weak might hit in just the right spot.
4) People attribute to "chin" results that should really be attributed to defensive striking ability. Arlovski in his last couple fights is a good example of this one. People say he lost because of his weak chin. I'd say he lost to Fedor because he charged carelessly into an overhand bomb that would have flattened God. As for what happened with Rogers, Josh Barnett described it perfectly after the fight. Arlovski got tagged and then backed straight up with zero head movement. Of course Rogers was going to hit him again. And a series of head-punches from a guy like him would end anyone's night.
5) Chin fades with age. So even if you do know a fighter had a solid chin in the past, it may not be a guarantee.
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^^^^ Damn, this motherfucker just straight up got all scientific on this shit.I heart cockComment
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I'll settle this
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Svino, that is hilarious. You really are a giant nerd among nerds. I am usually the dork in the room, but you make me look like the Fonze. Heeeeyyy.
There was an article on SD a few months ago about the "chin." It turns out the brain can't help but get turned off, your body has no control over it. The only relevant factor, or so said the doctor who wrote the article, was the strenght of the sternocleidomastoids. Basically the muscles that connect your jaw to your neck and help you turn your head. If they are stonger, the head does not get torqued as much, and the brain does not het signalled to shut off.
boom: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sternocleidomastoid_muscle
What I take away: Big neck = no KO. Another scientific reason to favor the wrestlers... now that I think of it, many of the chin of steel guys are longtime wrestlers.
Markham is not a can, IMO. BUt Hardy's punching power is being blown way out of proportion. I think there is a great chance, probably more than 50% that GSP can beat Hardy without even fainting a shot or clinch.2012: +19.33
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Also, notice guys who roll with punches and have good defense don't get knocked out as often. Not to sound too cliche, but it's the one you don't see coming that knocks you out. There's no preparing for a punch you don't see.Originally posted by MMA_scientistTriple-six killers in this motherfucker runnin shitComment
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http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/Fi ... unch-22134
It’s hard not to be in awe of Tito Ortiz’s head. So imperious in its shape and proportions. So defiantly unbowed. So … well, frankly, so unbelievably mammoth.
It was only after I had been admiring Tito’s head for some time that I learned that in addition to its obvious aesthetic qualities, his cranium’s superhuman proportions gave him near invincibility in the ring. Amazing! And it was only after I had been believing that for some time more that I went to medical school and realized it was absolute nonsense.
If a strangely enlarged cranium doesn’t provide a fighter with infallible protection against knockouts, the so-called “iron chin,” what does? What allows one fighter to absorb a man-killing blow to the face and dooms another to crumple before it? The answer is straightforward and multi-syllabic: the sternocleidomastoid muscles.
The sternocleidomastoids (SCM) -- one on each side of the neck -- are paired muscles, composed of the sternomastoid component that runs from the sternum to the mastoid process of the skull, immediately behind and below the ear, and the cleidomastoid muscle that runs from the clavicle to the mastoid. When flexed, the SCM rotates the head toward the opposing side. Flexing both SCMs in alternation shakes the head “no,” as one might if waving off an overly concerned ringside physician. Flexing them simultaneously flexes the neck forward and extends the head -- in the right circumstance resisting the force of a blow to the face. It’s why fighters often seem to be ducking into a punch.
One can look in a mirror and flex his SCMs, looking a bit like Lou Ferrigno after someone has seriously pissed off Bruce Banner. The muscles are prominent. Unfortunately, they are also isolated; no other significant muscle supports them in resisting backward movement of the cranium.
Photo: U.S. Public Domain
Moreover, arrayed against them are the muscles used in throwing a punch: calves, gluts, lats, pecs, triceps, etc. These are some of the most powerful muscles in the body. It is not surprising then that we rarely see the thrower of a well-placed punch to the head grasping his hand in pain and stumbling back in amazement as his opponent casually flexes his SCMs and smiles; the muscular arithmetic is firmly in the thrower’s favor.
When a punch of sufficient force strikes the face, it accelerates the front of the cranium back into the frontal lobes of the brain. This is the irreducible sweet science of brain injury. A gentle blow to the frontal lobes causes various degrees of central nervous system sedation -- it stuns the brain -- and a blow of sufficient force simply shuts the brain off. Seizures are not uncommon.
When a blow to the head comes from an angle, as opposed to straight on, only one of the SCMs can resist the force: The resulting acceleration of the cranium and damage to the brain are thus much greater.
Worse still, when a fighter is struck on the chin, the mandible creates leverage that magnifies the force and damage. This is the phenomenon of a fighter being hit “on the button.” Incidentally, this is an argument why, all things being equal, fighters with large heads and Cro-Magnon-like chins are at a theoretical mechanical disadvantage in withstanding blows.
Lastly, the anatomy of the brain makes blows to the back of the head particularly dangerous. The extensor muscles of the neck are far stronger than the SCMs, but the part of the brain under direct assault is more delicate. The frontal lobes injured in a frontal blow control speech, movement and thought -- all the neurologic skills we see depleted in old boxers. The back of the brain, the hindbrain or rhombencephalon, controls respiration, heart rate, swallowing, blood pressure. Fighters who sustain injuries there never grow to be old.
Matt Pitt is a physician with degrees in biophysics and medicine. He is board-certified in emergency medicine and has post-graduate training in head injuries and multi-system trauma. To ask a question that could be answered in a future article, e-mail him at mpitt@sherdog.com.2013: +8.24u(increased unit size on 5/19)
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Markham comes in at 177 lbs. That's fucking crazy. Is this going to become a catch weight bout? If he has to try to cut that then it might make a bet on Diaz worth it.I heart cockComment
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If he has to cut 7lbs more then I'm definitely taking Diaz2013: +8.24u(increased unit size on 5/19)
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Originally posted by LudoCain
He's not cutting anymore Diaz said he'd take the fight even though Marham came in overweight2015 MMA BETTING CHAMP
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Anyone know where you can find fighters weights from their previous fights?2015 MMA BETTING CHAMP
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Good thing I didn't touch the fight then. This could look alot like Rumble vs Yoshida2013: +8.24u(increased unit size on 5/19)
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Makes me wonder if a small bet on Markham is worth it. . .Originally posted by LudoCainI heart cockComment
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