UFC 115 discussion/odds

[Svino]

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I think Cro Cop - Mir would be an interesting fight, or maybe Russow.

[AC88]

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I'm still down for Cro Cop vs Rothwell. Give Cro Cop a few more guys for him to beat the shit out of before he retires.

[Mr. IWS]

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My lip hurts today but I got to drink my first drink in 2 weeks,errr I mean 9 months last night


MMMMmm good

[MMA_scientist]

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I can't win a bet to save my life.

Lost 5u on Thiago. WTF? So Kampmann is a better grappler than Fitch now? Apparently, I understand nothing.

I called almost every fight on the card (I picked Chuck though) and came very close to placing a few units on Dunham when he went to +200. But I didn't, so I just ate shit again. Another day at the office.

Things I learned:

Barry is not that good. He has faced all strikers so far. He is super one dimensional. He is like Daley without the takedown defense or half guard stalling. He will get EASILY beaten by any of the top UFC guys- Gonzaga, Mir, Nog, Couture, Cain, Lesnar, Carwin- they would just throw him down and sub him. You are a professional fighter, and you can't even defend a choke when the top guy doesn't have his hooks in?

Tyson Griffin represents the de-evolution of good UFC fighters that try to please too much. His quote before the show, my strategy is going to be the same as it always is, try to stand up and knock him out, and if he takes me down, get back up. Griffin has dropped ONE fighter with a punch, and i am not sure he wasn't drunk (Franca). He isre like 5'3 with barely any power. Why do you want to be something you are not? He is one of the most exciting grapplers in the division... yet he wants to be a miget kickboxer. Dunham outclassed Griffin badly on the mat... but that's what happens when you turn your back on a guy who trains the ground every day and is a foot taller than you. I just can't belive the game plans som eof these guys come in with. Griffin's game plan should have been top control. He is a better wrestler, and has the submission defense.

Refs and judges are getting worse, not better.

I actually enjoyed most of the fights Saturday. I think I am getting used to losing.

[MMA_scientist]

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Oh, Cro Cop will beat Rothwell's ass.

[Mr. IWS]

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I think I am getting used to losing.

The comeback starts at UFN!

[MMA_scientist]

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^^ I don't see anything at UFN. Leben probably has value. I used to believe in Simpson, but I could see Leben submitting him or wearing him out and dropping him. I was going to bet Jardine, but I changed my mind.

[MMA_scientist]

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^^ I am probably going to dump on Baker @ Bellator 23. He is -405 now, but I seriously doubt Schlemenko can fluke out again. I capped the Hess fight correctly, and Baker has good enought takedowns and a better ground grappling game that Hess.

[SPX]

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He isre like 5'3 with barely any power.

I believe he is actually 5'6", which I wouldn't call midget height. If he looks short, I think it's just because he is so stocky.

As for his strategy, I've seen all of his fights in the UFC and, while he'll wrestle if he has to, it never really has been his game. He was 14-2 going into the fight so he's obviously been doing something right.

[MMA_scientist]

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He isre like 5'3 with barely any power.

I believe he is actually 5'6", which I wouldn't call midget height. If he looks short, I think it's just because he is so stocky.

As for his strategy, I've seen all of his fights in the UFC and, while he'll wrestle if he has to, it never really has been his game. He was 14-2 going into the fight so he's obviously been doing something right.

if Tyson is 5'6" then Dunham is 6'2". The heights are wrong all the time, and usually guys don't make themselves shorter. But even if he is 5'6" , he is still the shortest guy in the division.

As for his strategy... he used to wrestle a lot. I don't know what you are talking about. He I would say he started the sprawl and brawl style around Tibau, making him 3-2 since he started it. But even in that fight, he went for a few takedowns and did quite a bit of gnp. Also, he has only finished one fight in the UFC. I like Tyson, but I just think he could be better if he would get back to what got him to where he is, his wrestling and scrambling.

As for "He was 14-2 going into the fight so he's obviously been doing something right"- we critique fighters, that's what we do here. I could say the same thing about any fighter. "Well, he made it to the UFC, so obviously he knows what he is doing..." yeah, but he could be better. Sherk has done the same thing. Hughes is trying to do it, even though he has maybe the worst standup in MMA by any non-gracie. It is just frustrating to watch. Also, Guida beat him, so he was 13-3 coming in.

[SPX]

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^^^ I think Dunham was just too much for him all around. He was actually doing better on the feet than on the ground. On the ground, he didn't do shit but get handled. At least on the feet he landed some decent shots.

We agree about the Guida fight, though. Guida beat him and got robbed of that win.

[Thewiseman]

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I havent had a loss this bad in a couple years. UFC 88 I think. I had some shitty luck though.
Lost .5u on Funch. Kind of expected to lose that one.
Lost .25u on Loiseau. What the hell was I thinking?
Lost 1.5u on Wiman/Danzig going the distance. Got robbed
Lost .19u on Wiman by dec. Got Robbed
Lost 1.7u on Griffin. This was due to me being stubborn. I had 3.6u on Griffin and was pretty confident until I seen the weigh ins and was like shit, he is huge next to Griffin, so I hedged some. Should have hedged all of it, I knew better.
Won 2u on Dunham/Griffin going the distance.
Won 2.6u on Condit. Lost .57u on it going the distance. im not sure what would have happened if it went to dec. I profited 2.03u off this fight, if Condit would have lost the dec, I would broke even on it, if he would have won the dec I would have made 4.6u
Lost 9.5u on Thiago. I dont know what the hell happened here. Glad I hedged some, had 13.3u on him originally.
Lost just over 8u on Barry. Between his conditioning and breaking his hand, and the inexperience. Man, I was so confident
in this fight untilk I seen him overweight and I hedged, I had over 17u on him.
Lost .5u on Franklin by dec. Should have stayed away, that was the plan.

[MMA_scientist]

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^ tough breaks wiseman.

Yeah, I really missed the mark on Thiago/Kampann too. Kampmann just whupped Thiago's ass. I was just thinking the entire time, Kampmann is a better grappler than Fitch... I know nothing anymore.

And it sucks balls to get robbed by the refs, which unfortunately happens a lot.

[MMA_scientist]

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^^^ I think Dunham was just too much for him all around. He was actually doing better on the feet than on the ground. On the ground, he didn't do shit but get handled. At least on the feet he landed some decent shots.

We agree about the Guida fight, though. Guida beat him and got robbed of that win.

I agree Dunham handled him on the mat and that Tyson was winning on his feet. But I think Tyson would have done a lot better on the mat if he would have engaged in a little grappling instead of trying to "anti-grapple" Dunham and get away from it. Of course, I could be wrong, maybe Dunham is just that much better than Griffin on the mat. I just find it hard to believe though, because Efrain was doing better than Tyson on the mat.

I support Dunham though. I support training in the gi, and so it is just another confirmation of my grappling belief system. Gi training > no gi training.

[poopoo333]

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I also had prop bets on Wiman by decision and Wiman/Danzig going the distance. As soon as the ref robbed Danzig, I knew my night would suck. I also had a prop bet on Macdonald/Condit going the distance....the ref stepped in with 9 seconds to go.