UFC 115 discussion/odds

[SPX]

Re: UFC 115 discussion/odds

Lets settle this and put Lesnar in the cage with Roger Gracie

I'd like to see that.

[Svino]

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I don't know about Overeem. Pretty sure King Mo isn't a black belt though.

Speaking of Kenny Monday, back in the late 90's, there was an event called "Contenders" that pitted submission wrestlers against pure wrestlers in a submission wrestling contest. IIRC, "draws" were considered wins for the wrestler. Henderson got subbed by Frank Shamrock in half a minute, and I think Kenny Monday lost his match, too. Some other wrestlers that eventually trained and went into MMA got their start there, like Tom Erikson and Mike Van Arsdale.

[sbjj]

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What the hell is Wiki, and when did I mention him or her. Do you have me mixed up with someone else? Or just mixed up in general?

[poopoo333]

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What the hell is Wiki, and when did I mention him or her. Do you have me mixed up with someone else? Or just mixed up in general?

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Wikipedia

[sbjj]

Re: UFC 115 discussion/odds

OK, your talking Wikipedia. Scientist, you have to much on your plate here, you must have gotten me mixed up with someone else. No problem, you are very busy defending your position here, so I understand. Keep in mind, the only thing I pointed out to you was that Rolles had competed, something I thought was pretty much common knowledge. Oh, and that he was controlled by Beltran, something that just plain happened...It might have been because Rolles was gassed, or hurt....BUT, he was still controlled.

I am not disagreeing with your side here, just pointing out a couple of simple things.

[zY|]

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Anyone watch Miranda/Loiseau yet? Talk about a one-sided assbeating.

[SPX]

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Anyone watch Miranda/Loiseau yet? Talk about a one-sided assbeating.

I haven't, but someone mentioned it earlier.

That bad?

[Luke]

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Now this will slow you down.Pat Barry's broken right foot and broken right hand

[SPX]

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Damn, that shit is fucked up.

And why does that shit look all red in the first pic?

[zY|]

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LOL at that foot. Looks like a neanderthal foot.

[MMA_scientist]

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OK, your talking Wikipedia. Scientist, you have to much on your plate here, you must have gotten me mixed up with someone else. No problem, you are very busy defending your position here, so I understand. Keep in mind, the only thing I pointed out to you was that Rolles had competed, something I thought was pretty much common knowledge. Oh, and that he was controlled by Beltran, something that just plain happened...It might have been because Rolles was gassed, or hurt....BUT, he was still controlled.

I am not disagreeing with your side here, just pointing out a couple of simple things.

My bad, confused you with Edman555. Your post and his post taken separately are not mean spirited. I read it as "Rolles Gracie competes, Wiki is your friend- dumbass."

My mistake. As for him being controlled, I have always said HW bjj is pretty much wrestling.


And whoever said Roger vs. Brock... ok- a 285 pound wrestler vs 205 bjj stylist will solve the debate. Why don't we put Roger in with Mo. I would bet my house on a submission (if Mo grappled with him, which he wouldn't). That is about as close as we will get to two guys at the top of thier games.

Or we could just re-watch Sonnen-Maia or Lindland-Jacare. Or I know, we could watch Severn-Gracie. That anyone even thinks this is debateable is ridiculous to me. If a wrestler could beat or even stall out in submission grappling, don't you think some enterprising wrestler would like to take home the $100,000 ADCC prize? Askren tried it this year. He did win one match. Too bad he would have had win liek seven times. Its been tried before. ADCC is open to all styles and there are substantial cash prizes for even winning one division. It actually pays more than most MMA fights.

Eveb Randy did a grappling match with Jacare. Randy was 220 and Jacare was 185. Randy managed to stall it out, but even Randy said he was just defending the entire time.

The one exception is your wrestling hero Jeff Monson, also a bjj blackbelt, who won ADCC a few years back. But the again, he is a HW.

[AC88]

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Anyone watch Miranda/Loiseau yet? Talk about a one-sided assbeating.

I haven't, but someone mentioned it earlier.

That bad?

That fight was about as one-sided as you can get. Miranda made Loiseau his bitch.

[SPX]

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That fight was about as one-sided as you can get. Miranda made Loiseau his bitch.

Damn, the Crow hasn't had a win in the UFC in like . . . 5 years.

[AC88]

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That fight was about as one-sided as you can get. Miranda made Loiseau his bitch.

Damn, the Crow hasn't had a win in the UFC in like . . . 5 years.

I'm amazed that the UFC has given him so many chances. They should just match him up with a striker next time. Grapplers eat him for any meal of the day.

[SPX]

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I'm amazed that the UFC has given him so many chances. They should just match him up with a striker next time. Grapplers eat him for any meal of the day.

I don't understand why, if they ARE going to keep bringing him back, that they don't give him strikers. My guess is that they don't actually want him to win . . . they just want to get a W for their prospect.