Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010

[SPX]

Re: Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010

Scientist:

Pretty compelling pics of Alves. You may be onto something.

With that said, you also have to keep in mind the genetic factor. There are a lot of natural bodybuilders who look awesome just because they're genetically gifted like that. It's kind of like how on the other end of the spectrum there are guys like Sylvia and Barnett who will never look good even WITH steroids.

I know that not everyone who claims to be natural really is, but a lot of them are.

[Ludo]

Re: Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010

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I don't know, maybe I am a cynic. But I have seen a lot of guys lift a lot of weights, and I just never see these kinds of results. I know guys, personal trainers, whatever- they have been working out and eating right for 10 years... never never do they get that big. Not too mention, these fighters have to do insane amounts of cardio. When you are sparring, it is a major cardio workout. There is just too much muscle mass... if you are doing an hour of cardio a day, there is no freaking way you can maintain that much mass. Plus, his head got bigger. Look how much bigger his head got. It is obvious.

Look at college and olympic wrestlers. They do a very similar workout. They are all shredded, but they dont have massive traps with veins popping out. OUt of the tens of thousands of wrestlers I have seen, I don't think any of them look like a WWE superstar (Lesnar was probably the closest thing, but even he was very lean compared to his WWE physique).

There is such a thing called power lifting, it's used mainly to gain muscle mass quickly by doing sets of heavy weight reps instead of lighter weights for toning. I didn't see much change in the size of his head in those pictures, if anything his head looked smaller because the rest of him was bigger in the last picture. Also, there is a difference between cardio and whats called muscle stamina. Cardio on the whole is the speed at which the body gets rid of the lactic acid molecule that accumulates in the blood when strenuous activity is performed. Muscle Stamina is something else entirely. It's the difference between aerobics and anaerobics. Mass has little to do with overall cardio, and that point is proven by WWE wrestlers. If you've ever seen what's called an 'iron man match" you'll know what I mean. Anyone with the proper conditioning regiment can have cardio for hours if they work correctly at it.

[Luke]

Re: Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010

How about line guesses on these fights?

[Ludo]

Re: Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010

How about line guesses on these fights?

Arlovski probably opens around -150
I'll go out on a limb and say Overeem opens about -125

[Luke]

Re: Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010

How about line guesses on these fights?

Arlovski probably opens around -150
I'll go out on a limb and say Overeem opens about -125

I was thinking both were going to be much higher but I really have no idea about these thats why I asked for input

You could be right on both.

[poopoo333]

Re: Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010

There is such a thing called power lifting, it's used mainly to gain muscle mass quickly by doing sets of heavy weight reps instead of lighter weights for toning.

That is all a myth. I am a competitive powerlifter, the way you gain muscle mass is 90-95% diet. Powerlifting doesn't make you "gain mass quickly" at all. And the whole lighter reps for toning is such a gay theory.



ANYWAYS, I don't really like this card for betting. Two fights are going to be heavyweight striking matches. If anything, I will take AA for a small play if his line is awesome. Rogers/Overeem...I will make a half unit bet on Rogers if he is a big dog. Jacare's line will be too high. Roger Gracie is too green in MMA to warrant a nice bet on, but if the line is good...small play on him since Randleman likes to get submitted by people like Cro Cop and Ron Waterman.

[SPX]

Re: Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010

There is such a thing called power lifting, it's used mainly to gain muscle mass quickly by doing sets of heavy weight reps instead of lighter weights for toning.

That is all a myth. I am a competitive powerlifter, the way you gain muscle mass is 90-95% diet. Powerlifting doesn't make you "gain mass quickly" at all. And the whole lighter reps for toning is such a gay theory.

I was going to say something about all this too, but I just left it alone.

There's a reason that bodybuilders don't train like powerlifters. One is for building and sculpting muscle and the other is for increasing strength. That's not to say that both won't do both, but the techniques are different for each.

[Mr. IWS]

Re: Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010

doing sets of heavy weight reps

BILL STAR 5X5 FTW!

[MMA_scientist]

Re: Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010

Arlovski -195
Overeem- -130
Gracie -200
Jacare -300

Those are my guesses. I will be on Roger. He is green, but he is also the best grappler in the entire world, and he is fighting another grappler. He is like 6'6 and Randleman is like 5'9. Even though Roger cannot strike to save his life, his legnth alone will be enough to control the standup and entice Randleman to take him down. As soon as it hits the mat, it will be over in 30 seconds (if there was a prop bet, how long can Randleman survive on the ground, I would go under 1 minute @ even money). That is how much of a bad ass Roger is.

I will be on Jacare most likely.

I will take AA if he is under -170.


Also, i hope you guys know I am just messing around with all the steroid stuff, just trying to annoy.

[Mr. IWS]

Re: Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010

Arlovski -195
Overeem- -130
Gracie -200
Jacare -300

GL on them. I will be on Hoger just to fade Randleman, and Jacare

Also, i hope you guys know I am just messing around with all the steroid stuff, just trying to annoy.

I think its a very interesting debate.

[Luke]

Re: Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010

My guesses:

Arlovski -250
Overeem- -200
Gracie -400
Jacare -450

[Luke]

Re: Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010

Looks like Randleman is going to get scratched:

“I’m sick and I think I might have a little bit of a staph infection,” an aggravated Randleman told Sherdog.com on Tuesday. “They might have to replace me.”

Randleman said his physician would tell him on Wednesday if he is healthy enough to fight in 11 days. The former UFC champion, who was hospitalized for a lung infection in 2006 and a staph infection in 2007 that required the removal of his pectoral muscle, said the illness has made it difficult for him to train and eat.

The 38-year-old Pride Fighting Championships veteran trains in fours gym in Las Vegas, he said, but doesn’t blame the facilities for his current state.

“I’ve trained for Gracie for 14 weeks, and I might get taken out by some nasty a-- people who can’t wash their butts, their feet,” said Randleman. “I’m livid. I take six showers every day. I’m anal about cleanliness. I take a shower before I get into bed with my wife. If I wake up in the middle of the night and I’m sweaty, I take a shower.”

[MMA_scientist]

Re: Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010

I will be very pissed if Roger doesnt get a decent fight.

[Mr. IWS]

Re: Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010

Randleman always got something wrong with him. Maybe he should stop fuckin those husky white girls.

[Svino]

Re: Strikeforce HEAVY ARTILLERY- MAY 15, 2010

I will be very pissed if Roger doesnt get a decent fight.

I hear Lashley still needs an opponent.