UFC 116 discussion/matchups

[Ludo]

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Well yeah in Strikeforce but he couldnt do that and be champ in the UFC.Just like King Mo is champ in SF but with his bad tech he wouldnt be in the UFC

Well shit, look at BJ. I don't think BJ is the paradigm of "good footwork" but he is the LW GOAT. Besides, I'd love to see Gil vs BJ or Edgar. Both are very interesting fights.

BJ has some pretty good footwork along with head movement to avoid getting hit more then 7 times by Diego Sanchez, or barely getting hit by Sean Sherk(BJ had reach over Sherk but his footwork played the part for most of it). Plus, we're not talking about above average but not elite footwork and head movement. We're talking blatantly obvious lack of footwork and head movement like in the gif there. Gonzaga is no world class striker by any means at all and he landed two flush right hands in a row, even after backing off for half a second before throwing the second one. again, Carwins power is the only reason he is 12-0. Without that freakish punching power I can honestly see him being 8-4 or maybe even 10-2. He still would have beaten Mir with that game plan but can we say the same about EVERY other fighter he faced?

[MMA_scientist]

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I agree with Svino here. Brawling works in MMA. In my opinion it works especially well for HW's who mostly just need to land 1 flush shot to end a fight.

On a side note, Mo could totally theaten any UFC LHW. He would be a credible threat the belt for sure. Before the Mousasi fight, everyone thought Mousasi was the #2 MW.

Melendez is top 5 in any ranking. I dont think he would be champ, but he has gotten pretty damn far with his flat footed style.

[SPX]

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On a side note, Mo could totally theaten any UFC LHW. He would be a credible threat the belt for sure. Before the Mousasi fight, everyone thought Mousasi was the #2 MW.

I'd like to see a Mo vs Mousasi rematch in which Mousasi actually shows up to fight.

Melendez is top 5 in any ranking. I dont think he would be champ, but he has gotten pretty damn far with his flat footed style.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[Luke]

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ok just pulled the trigger .I making Lesnar a max play for me in mma. I wanted to get this done before the weigh ins when people see how much bigger Lesnar is.

I bet this at two different books.

1.29 units to win 1 at -129
2.6 units to win 2 at -130

I may add more bets after the weigh ins or not

[Mr. IWS]

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ok just pulled the trigger .I making Lesnar a max play for me in mma. I wanted to get this done before the weigh ins when people see how much bigger Lesnar is.

I bet this at two different books.

1.29 units to win 1 at -129
2.6 units to win 2 at -130

I may add more bets after the weigh ins or not

[MMA_scientist]

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ok just pulled the trigger .I making Lesnar a max play for me in mma. I wanted to get this done before the weigh ins when people see how much bigger Lesnar is.

I bet this at two different books.

1.29 units to win 1 at -129
2.6 units to win 2 at -130

I may add more bets after the weigh ins or not

Good luck. I will be half heartedly pulling for you (I have a small bet on Carwin, but I am going to have a winning night regardless of the outcome of that fight). This is a pretty big roll of the dice for you... aren't you normally pretty conservative?

Its too late now, but I expect Lesnar to be bigger, but he is walking around at the same weight as Carwin now. What are you banking on? The takedown? Or the left hook?

[Luke]

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This is a pretty big roll of the dice for you... aren't you normally pretty conservative?

yes I'm usually conservative .3 units is my max in MMA. I go up to 5 units in boxing but try to stick to 3 in MMA because I admit I'm not as good at MMA.

Its too late now, but I expect Lesnar to be bigger, but he is walking around at the same weight as Carwin now. What are you banking on? The takedown? Or the left hook?

I expect them both to be 265 at weigh in but Carwin to be 265 at fight time and Lesnar to be closer to 280

I'm banking on Lesnar taking Carwin down over and over or holding him against the cage until Carwin gets tired and gasses .Then I think Lesnar will stop him ,probably on the ground. I think the southpaw stance and left hand will be a "just in case" the fight stays on their feet longer than Lesnar wants until he finally gets the takedown.
I can see Lesnar getting the takedown in 3 different ways:

1. shoot and secure the takedown since he's the better wrestler and more explosive

2. bull rush Carwin ,hold him against the cage until he gets a good position and gets the takedown

3. hit Carwin with a straight left hand and stun him then shoot and get the takedown.

Either way I see this going to the ground. Carwin maybe able to get up once of twice but I think after a few times Carwin will tire out and Lesnar will start to dominate him on the ground

[Svino]

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“I am about 277/278 today. Easy cut,” Carwin Tweeted Tuesday afternoon.
Lesnar recently told longtime confidant Paul Heyman that his new 3,200 calorie-a-day diet has allowed him to consistently remain in the best shape of his life, as he’s on the doorstep of the biggest scrap of his career.
“That’s handled already,” Brock told Heyman of not needing to dehydrate himself inside of a sauna. “I’m 265 pounds right now. I’m ready to fight today.”

Also, Lesnar has tiny little girl hands.

[SPX]

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That picture proves that pictures can be deceiving, because from that angle Carwin looks bigger. I expect Lesnar will be bigger on fight night, but exactly how much remains to be seen.

I guess we're going head to head on this one, Luke. We shall neither ride together, nor live together, nor die together.

WAR SHANE CARWIN!

[MMA_scientist]

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^ I had read that as well... Lesnar walking around at 265, while Carwin still has to cut to make it.

I agree that the takedowns are the key to the fight. I just disagree that Brock will be able to get it repeatedly. I see it the other way around. Brock will get a couple of takedowns and then not have the explosiveness to get any more. In my experience when two guys are tired, it is easier to defend the takedown than get it.

[Luke]

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Most recent picture of the two together

[MMA_scientist]

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^^ lesnar looks like he is wearing boots like he was in the picture of the two of them in the cage. But they look about the same thickness to me. Lesnar may be slightly thicker in the torso, but he has chicken legs.

If he is not wearing boots, he is standing on his toes... you can't even see his heel, you can see light underneath. And Shane's feet are farther than shoulder width apart.

either way, it is really hard to tell from pictures... but a scale doesn't lie.

[Luke]

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^^ lesnar looks like he is wearing boots like he was in the picture of the two of them in the cage. But they look about the same thickness to me. Lesnar may be slightly thicker in the torso, but he has chicken legs.

If he is not wearing boots, he is standing on his toes... you can't even see his heel, you can see light underneath. And Shane's feet are farther than shoulder width apart.

either way, it is really hard to tell from pictures... but a scale doesn't lie.

I was just posting it for the heck of it .We'll see in about 5 hours what they really look like side by side .Its impossible to tell from a picture unless its taking from straight in front of them and they are standing right beside each other

[SPX]

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From Sherdog:

TITLE: Should the UFC cut Brock Lesnar is he disrespects Bud Light again?

Brock was very disrespectful to his opponent and a great American beer. The fans booed him and he continued to behave belligerently. Should his behavior be accepted, or should he be cut like so many others for lesser offenses. ie) Lindland, Daley

Don't know why, but it cracked me up a little.

[MMA_scientist]

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That is pretty funny.


There is no circumstance under which the UFC would cut Brock (assuming he wins). He could literally do anything he wanted and get away with it. Brock to Strikeforce might finally be the thing that gives the average fan the notion that the best fighter aren't necessarily in the UFC. Brock vs Fedor/Werdum would probably beat UFC numbers.