Bellator Odds Up

[MMA_scientist]

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^^ agreed.

I wish wrestlers would just focus on the ground, learn the ground and be awesome at it... instead they all spend time trying to strike. It is going to take years to get good enough at striking to be competitive. But they are alreay 70% there on the ground. Warren has the tools to put any fighter in the world on their back. So why not focus on that? Learn to pass guard. Learn to defend. Learn some subs. It looks like his ground game has not improved one iota since last year. Some wrestlers have trouble learning bjj though... you definately have to have the right mindset.

That is why I am so big on Johnny Hendricks. Here is a guy that took to the submission game and is trying to learn it. He has naturally heavy hands too. I think Hendricks is the guy that will surprise everyone. He is a better wrestler than Koscheck, heavy handed, good sub game and defense. Watch out for Hendricks @ ww. Watch out GSP.

As opposed to a guy like Rosholt, who just continues to get submitted and use a bullying style. I see Warren like Sonnen. How many times do you have to get armbarred in your life before you change your posture?

[zY|]

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Can't agree with you about Frodo. Johnny Hendricks is nothing special IMO.

[MMA_scientist]

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Who's Frodo?

[SPX]

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Who's Frodo?

[MMA_scientist]

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^^

Right, but I don't think Elijah Wood is very tough. Who is Zy calling Frodo?

[SPX]

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^^

Right, but I don't think Elijah Wood is very tough. Who is Zy calling Frodo?

[MMA_scientist]

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Ahh. There is some resemblence isn't there.

In that case, I disagree.

I think Hendricks is the best prospect at 170 right now. He still has some learnin to do, but I think he can be champ.

[SPX]

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Ahh. There is some resemblence isn't there.

In that case, I disagree.

I think Hendricks is the best prospect at 170 right now. He still has some learnin to do, but I think he can be champ.

I agree that he's good. Not sure I'd say "he's the best prospect at 170" though.

Back around the time I first started betting on fights, I remember feeling compelled to bet on him against Amir. I didn't pull the trigger though. To this day I still kick myself for that one.

[MMA_scientist]

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Ahh. There is some resemblence isn't there.

In that case, I disagree.

I think Hendricks is the best prospect at 170 right now. He still has some learnin to do, but I think he can be champ.

I agree that he's good. Not sure I'd say "he's the best prospect at 170" though.

Back around the time I first started betting on fights, I remember feeling compelled to bet on him against Amir. I didn't pull the trigger though. To this day I still kick myself for that one.

Who's better?

I have no idea why the ufc doesn't push him more. He was 2x Ncaa champ (he was rightfully a 3xchamp, his senior year Mark Perry beat him in the finals, but Hendricks had beaten him 6 times prior- so he was 6-1 with him). He really is the best pure wrestler at WW in the UFC, maybe in the world (Askren has dropped to WW too I think, but he is with Bellator). He has shown very good secondary skills too, with his KO of Amir and has a couple of very nice looking submissions too.

I don't know who has more potential coming up @ ww. GSP has shown he can beat anyone that he can out wrestle. Here is a guy that can probably outwrestle GSP. So to me it is more interesting that seeing him beat Fitch or Koscheck again.

[SPX]

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Who's better?

He's still pretty green, man. Who has be beat? The Amir win was a little flukey. A lot of people thought it was an early stoppage. And that's his best win to date.

Who's better? It's impossible to say at this point with the amount of data that's available. Do you really think he's ready for guys like Fitch, Kos, Alves, and . . . GSP at this point?

I'm not even sure how he'd fare against Paulo Thiago, Swick, or Rumble. Don't get ahead of yourself.

[MMA_scientist]

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No, I don't think he is there yet... he is not top 10. But that is what I mean by "prospect." I do think he would beat Rumble, and that would be a good matchup.

Give him another 18 months though, and I think he can challenge for the title. Of course, it is mma, and he could easily come out and lose his next fight... so that would derail my timeline.

[zY|]

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I think he'll end up a middling WW. He may be "the best wrestler in the world" but he's pretty small for the division. And other than the horrible, horrible stoppage over Amir, he hasn't looked that great. In a pure wrestling match, sure he might beat GSP. But in MMA, no he's not going to outwrestle him. He'll get put on his back and dominated.

As far as ultimately more potential, I'm pretty interested in Tyron Woodley.

[MMA_scientist]

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I like Woodley too. I just think Hendricks is going to put it all together. So I guess we will just have to disagree and wait a couple years to find out.

[MMA_scientist]

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Also, Woodley is an assistant wrestling coach at Southern Illinois, where I triumphantly accumulated a 6-13 record as a varsity wrestler in 1996. Suck on that.

[zY|]

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Also, Woodley is an assistant wrestling coach at Southern Illinois, where I triumphantly accumulated a 6-13 record as a varsity wrestler in 1996. Suck on that.

LOLOL look at you go, you badass you.

When is your pro debut?

As far as Merry from the Shire aka 'that guy from Lost' goes, I guess you're right. We'll wait and see.