UFC 118 Penn-Edgar 2 Toney-Couture

[poopoo333]

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Why is Diaz a really good bet over Davis?

Davis is 37 now and slowing down imo. He hasn't been that impressive lately, and I remember thinking that he didn't look too great against Goulet. I think Diaz will be able to frustrate Davis with his annoying jabs and outpoint him. I don't see Davis being able to outpoint, KO, or submit Diaz.

[SPX]

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. . . and I remember thinking that he didn't look too great against Goulet.

Dude, he fucked Goulet up.

[edman5555]

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. . . and I remember thinking that he didn't look too great against Goulet.

Dude, he fucked Goulet up.

Yeah Ko'd him but now that I think about it he wasn't doing well up until that point. He still KO'd him though. Saunders did destroy him though, that was pretty rough.

[edman5555]

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I'm pulling the trigger on Nik Lentz. He is an underdog on 5dimes and he has beaten better competition than Andre Winner it looks like. I wish I got him at +170. He beat Roli Delgado who I think stinks. Sorry Roli. He also beat Rafaello Oliveira who I think is pretty good but Nik beat him as well.

Point of interest: Winner beat Oliviera. I looked up play by play, that is something that I am going to do a lot from now on BTW. I think it is really worthwhile. But anyway, my point. Sherdog gave rounds 1 and 3 to Winner but R2 a draw. MMAJunkie gave rounds 2 and 3 to Winner but R1 to Oliviera.
It seems like a clear cut W for winner but somewhat close. I think that matters to because its Winners only good win as far as I can see.

Oh yeah. Winner is a brit and Nik Lentz is an American Wrestler. Yeah I'm pulling that card.

[poopoo333]

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^^Play by play is a very useful tool imo

[edman5555]

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I'm also thinking about betting on Amilcar Alves over Mike pierce. I'm sure Pierce will be a big favorite. Anyone know much about him? I just read an article. He has been training Judo in Brazil for 25 years and he competed in Muay Thai. Sounds good..he also trains BJJ with Nova uniao and I know they are good.

It looks like he can submit well, KO people and he has good judo which could help him keep it standing.

[edman5555]

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I might back down on Amilcar Alves. Pierce is pretty good, he gave Fitch a run for his money and has only lost to good wrestlers.

[SPX]

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I might back down on Amilcar Alves. Pierce is pretty good, he gave Fitch a run for his money and has only lost to good wrestlers.

Pierce is solid. He's a good wrestler and hits hard. I don't know anything about this Amilcar guy, but he has to be good to beat Pierce.

[edman5555]

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Yeah he has good standup. He was a muai thai fighter and he is also a 25 year vet of judo. I looked up MP's wrestling history and he is a two time all american. He also wobbled Jon Fitch with a punch. I don't know who will win it. It could go either way. I bet Amilcar's line will get up very high though. Most people won't have any idea who he is and will probably bet against him. If he gets up to +300 or something like that he might be worth betting on.

[MMA_scientist]

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I like Diaz to win also.

Miranda, Ruediger, Alves and Salter could all be good underdogs.

Miranda has superior wrestling to Maia, he might be able to force a standup fight. He is a very good grappler in his won right, so it is not going to be insta-submission for Maia. I think it comes down to striking and whether Maia can get top position. Since Maia will probably be at least -300, Miranda is probably the play (for you guys, for me ABOM).

Ruediger doesn't suck. His stint on tough made him look like an ass clown, but he is actually a very solid fighter. I still favor creepy Joe, but I wouldn't take him @ -200 or more.

Salter is basically mini Dan Miller. Miller should be a little ahead in the wrestling, but not so much that it is a lock. Miller's hands apparently suck worse than everyone thought.

Alves is dynamic. He is a muy thai and judo guy. He trains with a great camp. Most likely Pierce will top control him for 3 rounds... but Alves has a lot more outs. I doubt Pierce finishes him. I will probably make this @ +200.

[edman5555]

Re: UFC 118 Penn-Edgar 2 Toney-Couture

I like Diaz to win also.

Miranda, Ruediger, Alves and Salter could all be good underdogs.

Miranda has superior wrestling to Maia, he might be able to force a standup fight. He is a very good grappler in his won right, so it is not going to be insta-submission for Maia. I think it comes down to striking and whether Maia can get top position. Since Maia will probably be at least -300, Miranda is probably the play (for you guys, for me ABOM).

Ruediger doesn't suck. His stint on tough made him look like an ass clown, but he is actually a very solid fighter. I still favor creepy Joe, but I wouldn't take him @ -200 or more.

Salter is basically mini Dan Miller. Miller should be a little ahead in the wrestling, but not so much that it is a lock. Miller's hands apparently suck worse than everyone thought.

Alves is dynamic. He is a muy thai and judo guy. He trains with a great camp. Most likely Pierce will top control him for 3 rounds... but Alves has a lot more outs. I doubt Pierce finishes him. I will probably make this @ +200.

Yeah Alves finishes fights which is a plus. He isn't going to D win a wrestler unless he repeatidly stuns him in the standup unless he can take him down which is unlikely.

I was thinking the same thing about Miranda. He might be able to get a decision win on Maia. I bet he will be in the +250 - +300 range.

[sbjj]

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Yea, I think Miranda will be the right side of the bet(assuming the line is what we think it will be). but Miranda seems to be kinda spastic with his offense, like balls to the wall, and I fear that may get him in trouble with Maia.

[edman5555]

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Yea, I think Miranda will be the right side of the bet(assuming the line is what we think it will be). but Miranda seems to be kinda spastic with his offense, like balls to the wall, and I fear that may get him in trouble with Maia.

That's not good.

[poopoo333]

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I have to do some more video watching and stuff, but I will probably be on Ospizak, Diaz, Dan Miller @-220 or better, Maia @-220 or better, and Winner.

[MMA_scientist]

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Yea, I think Miranda will be the right side of the bet(assuming the line is what we think it will be). but Miranda seems to be kinda spastic with his offense, like balls to the wall, and I fear that may get him in trouble with Maia.

Maia is going to be superior on the mat. If Miranda takes him down, he is not going to be able to hold him there for 15 minutes without getting subbed or swept, IMO. If Maia is on top, Miranda is probably screwed unless he can escape to his feet of stall out in guard until the bell. As good as Miranda is, he is not as good as Maia on the mat. But Miranda is also a pretty good wrestler, and I think he can dictate where the fight goes.

How is Miranda's striking?