UFC Fight Night 22

[Ludo]

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Oh and sideloaded feel free to stop private messaging Me sweet nothings any time.

[Mr. IWS]

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FWIW

MMA Professor

The Picks for Wednesday's Ultimate Fight Night are as follows:

Efrain Escudero (-180) over Charles Olivera - case of pure wrestler over pure Jiu Jitsu - clear system pick

Jim Miller (-155) over Gleison Tibau - Miller has the better takedowns, both are black belts in Jiu Jitsu

Cole Miller (+210) over Ross Pearson - Miller is the Underdog but has better grappling over the kickboxer Pearson. Good chance for an upset.

Rousimar "Toquinho" Palhares (+170)over Nate Marquardt - Palhares has great takedowns and an off the hook Jiu Jitsu game. Great chance for an upset.

[zY|]

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Oh and sideloaded feel free to stop private messaging Me sweet nothings any time.

Same

Zak who is the mma professor?

[Mr. IWS]

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^^^supposedly, some MMA expert that sells his picks.

[zY|]

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Oh ok.

I don't agree with a single word he said. I guess we'll see though.

[Havis Jr]

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Jim miller has better takedowns then tibau?? I have seen nothing in any of jim's fights to say that could be even remotely true. He uses his wrestling defensively more then anything, Tibau gameplan has always been to win with takedowns, so he has been practicing that gameplan since the beginning and he has it down enough for miller imo.


The fact that this guy has cole makes me nervous hopefully he knows bjj better then wrestling.



ZY did you make a bet on Natal? I kinda like natal, I am a little worried about the lay n pray from antonito. Natal has some sub wins, but I don;t know if they came after damage on the feet or how they happened? But natal with better striking and subs could be a disaster for antonito even if antonito gets to decide where the fight takes place.

[SPX]

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The fact that this guy has cole makes me nervous hopefully he knows bjj better then wrestling.

Cole is always dangerous on the ground, regardless of the opponent. Look at the way he triangled Gurgel or the Harley Davidson Shifting Gears Moment when subbed Lauzon.

I'm not saying that Cole will win, but he has a chance, and I would not bet pearson at the current odds.

[zY|]

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True but the only way this goes to the ground is when Miller gets dropped with strikes. Which he will, Dan Lauzon floored this man.

I was going to bet Natal but my main book didn't put up odds so I didn't take
him.

And the part about Jim Miller having better takedowns is rather curious considering Tibau's go to move is to pick guys up and slam them on their head over and over, and he's massive.

Also, the pure wrestler over pure jiu jitsu comment makes no sense either. A pure wrestler with no crosstraining is going to get subbed 100% of the time against an equal bjj practitioner. I know scientist says this all the time and I hate to agree with him about anything but it's true. This is not to mention I believe if Escudero wins its going to be on the feet. Basically the mma professor's picks are extremely vague generalities.

[SPX]

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And the part about Jim Miller having better takedowns is rather curious considering Tibau's go to move is to pick guys up and slam them on their head over and over, and he's massive.

Did you ever see his fight with Guillard? I did not. But if Guillard can beat Tibau, then I would think Miller can, too.

I actually am leaning Tibau, but this fight seems hard to call, and I liked him better at +200. Missed out on that line for sure.

[doublearmbar]

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Oh and sideloaded feel free to stop private messaging Me sweet nothings any time.

Feel free to stop spreading your homosexual tendencies all over the forum.

[zY|]

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And the part about Jim Miller having better takedowns is rather curious considering Tibau's go to move is to pick guys up and slam them on their head over and over, and he's massive.

Did you ever see his fight with Guillard? I did not. But if Guillard can beat Tibau, then I would think Miller can, too.

I actually am leaning Tibau, but this fight seems hard to call, and I liked him better at +200. Missed out on that line for sure.

I didn't see it either, but I know a lot of people thought Tibau won. I guess I should have watched it.

[SPX]

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Anyone have thoughts on Hamman/Kingsbury or Foster/Petz?

[Svino]

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Also, the pure wrestler over pure jiu jitsu comment makes no sense either. A pure wrestler with no crosstraining is going to get subbed 100% of the time against an equal bjj practitioner. I know scientist says this all the time and I hate to agree with him about anything but it's true. This is not to mention I believe if Escudero wins its going to be on the feet. Basically the mma professor's picks are extremely vague generalities.

I think modern MMA has given people a greatly shifted definition of what a "pure" wrestler or bjj guy is. If you assume that you are talking about guys with a strong focus, but a decent (MMA viable) amount of cross training, then I'll generally pick a wrestler over a jits guy unless that guy is truly elite with his submissions. (Maia or Palhares level, not just a good blackbelt). I would probably take Efrain even if I thought he didn't have a striking advantage.

[SPX]

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My problem with Oliveira is that he's undefeated. There have been too many times that I've seen undefeated guys who aren't big names yet come in and just keep on winning.

Think John Hathaway.

[zY|]

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Also, the pure wrestler over pure jiu jitsu comment makes no sense either. A pure wrestler with no crosstraining is going to get subbed 100% of the time against an equal bjj practitioner. I know scientist says this all the time and I hate to agree with him about anything but it's true. This is not to mention I believe if Escudero wins its going to be on the feet. Basically the mma professor's picks are extremely vague generalities.

I think modern MMA has given people a greatly shifted definition of what a "pure" wrestler or bjj guy is. If you assume that you are talking about guys with a strong focus, but a decent (MMA viable) amount of cross training, then I'll generally pick a wrestler over a jits guy unless that guy is truly elite with his submissions. (Maia or Palhares level, not just a good blackbelt). I would probably take Efrain even if I thought he didn't have a striking advantage.

Agreed. I guess my issue is with the semantics.