KOS -GSP odds

[zY|]

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GSP is going to mop the floor with Koscheck.

-360 is great, but this probably isn't happening until NYE at least. I can't wait that long.

[Thewiseman]

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I think GSP will win, but If Koscheck can defend the takedown or maybe get a few of his own, it will be interesting. When they fought the first time, he wasnt working his wrestling and im sure he is now. I just dont like -360. And now its -450, plus that is way too long to wait.

[zY|]

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I think GSP will win, but If Koscheck can defend the takedown or maybe get a few of his own, it will be interesting. When they fought the first time, he wasnt working his wrestling and im sure he is now. I just dont like -360. And now its -450, plus that is way too long to wait.

I don't even care if he does stop the takedowns (he won't). GSP will beat his ass standing up too. Kos is like the diet coke of GSP. He has all the physical tools but lacks the knowledge and attitude to put it all together properly. Plus he's older and less skilled.

He's -340 at sportsbook.

[Ludo]

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How is it falling for the hype to say Koscheck can in theory stop some of GSP's takedowns and even take GSP down himself? The guy was a Four time All American Division 1 Wrestler. He won the PSAC Wrestler of the year award three times in college. There is NO ONE in that division with a better Wrestling pedigree than Koscheck. He has (since losing to GSP) hired a new strength and conditioning coach, as well as gotten back to working on his wrestling instead of stand up all the time. Lets not forget that even the Koscheck GSP fought the first time who was lazy, unconditioned, and not working his wrestling with any kind of frequency was able to sweep GSP from the bottom. If anyone in the division can pose a problem for GSP it's a motivated Josh Koscheck.

Anyone who thinks GSP beats Koscheck standing is full of it. In a pure striking match GSP gets eaten alive by anyone with inside skills. His straight boxing is garbage and he's all reach, kicks, and superman punches. Why do you think He got clipped by Serra(other than the fact that it was a lucky shot)? Serra is very good at getting inside because of his short reach. But don't get it twisted like GSP is gods gift to Welterweight striking. It's because of the constant threat of a takedown that causes his opponents to drop thier hands in an attempt to stuff a takedown that allows him to look better with his hands. If you don't believe me watch the tape from his fight with Fitch, the second fight with penn, and even the fight with Alves. They all started out strong with their hands up until he landed a couple takedowns and then they kept their hands lower to help stuff a shot and thats when he came in over the top with a superman punch, or a kick.

[JAB]

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Im with you Ludo...I will be on Koscheck when this fight comes around. Hopin to get him at +350 or better.

[poopoo333]

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GSP has gotten better since the first Kos fight, he gets better with every fight. I just don't see Kos winning. He may be worth a bet at like +400 though, but I would expect that to be money down the drain.

GSP by decision.

[zY|]

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LOL Ludo

Even if you're right about GSP's striking(you're not), all Koscheck Does is throw telegraphed fast balls like he's Nolan Ryan.

Kos will likely put up a good fight and won't go down easily, but I don't see him having a great chance of actually winning because GSP is better at everything.

Also he didn't sweep GSP, he stood up and grabbed a leg then fought for a takedown. Big difference.

[MMA_scientist]

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The guy was a Four time All American Division 1 Wrestler. He won the PSAC Wrestler of the year award three times in college. There is NO ONE in that division with a better Wrestling pedigree than Koscheck.

Dont want to beat a dead horse, but Hendricks has a better wrestling pedigree than Kos, and would also beat his ass in a wrestling match.

I disagree that GSP can't beat Kos standing.

That said, Kos has a chance.

[Luke]

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That said, Kos has a chance.

Yeah about as much as Llyod Christmas did

[SPX]

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Dont want to beat a dead horse, but Hendricks has a better wrestling pedigree than Kos, and would also beat his ass in a wrestling match.

So when's the wedding?

[zY|]

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That said, Kos has a chance.

Yeah about as much as Llyod Christmas did

Jacob Volkmann? He's not on this card.

[JAB]

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The guy was a Four time All American Division 1 Wrestler. He won the PSAC Wrestler of the year award three times in college. There is NO ONE in that division with a better Wrestling pedigree than Koscheck.

Dont want to beat a dead horse, but Hendricks has a better wrestling pedigree than Kos, and would also beat his ass in a wrestling match.

I disagree that GSP can't beat Kos standing.

That said, Kos has a chance.

Scientist you are absolutely delusional if you think that hendricks is that much better of a wrestler than koscheck. Having been a D1 wrestler myself at the same time as these two guys and watched both of them compete on a weekly basis I can tell you first hand there is a huge difference between the 2 weight classes these two wrestled (157/174). Secondly koscheck would of beat his ass in a match back then and i would put my money that he would still beat his ass now.

[Luke]

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So when's the wedding?

LOL

[MMA_scientist]

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Scientist you are absolutely delusional if you think that hendricks is that much better of a wrestler than koscheck. Having been a D1 wrestler myself at the same time as these two guys and watched both of them compete on a weekly basis I can tell you first hand there is a huge difference between the 2 weight classes these two wrestled (157/174). Secondly koscheck would of beat his ass in a match back then and i would put my money that he would still beat his ass now.

Well Hendricks graduated in 2007 and Koscheck in 2002... So unless you had a hella long wrestling career, you didn't see them wrestling at the same time. You might have seen the last couple of years of Koscheck's career and the first couple of Hendricks'. Still it would be hard to compare a senior to a sophmore, even though Hendricks was already better than Koscheck by his Sophmore year, IMO.

I know Hendricks was lighter then, but he is not now. He has added muscle, and they both weight 170 now. I don't think that 174 is somehow inherently tougher than 157 and that makes him better.

Hendricks clearly has a better pedigree than Koscheck, having won it all 2x (and really, he was the best 3 times, having gone like 6-1 against Perry the year Perry won his first).

So I guess we are just going to have to disagree. I think Hendricks would handle Koscheck pretty easily in a wrestling match. Koscheck is also 33 years old... his wrestling always based on his poweful shot, which is starting to wane...

We are never going to know who would win a wrestling match. Koscheck is the more accomplished MMA fighter at this point. But there is no argument about who is a more accomplished wrestler.

[MMA_scientist]

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Also for the record, Hendricks wrestled 165 in 2007, not 157.

I wrestled @ 167 myself. I know the weight classes. There is not a big difference between 165 and 174, IMO.