Bellator 22

[MMA_scientist]

Re: Bellator 22

Probably going to be on Askren now.

His line has moved up tp +140... We all know that he will be getting the takedown. Hornbbuckle has that triangle, which concerns me, but he has never caught it against a grappler of Askren's calibur.
I do think Hornbuckle is a better fighter at this point, but Askren really just needs to avoid the knees on the shot, and the triangle. I think there is a 50% chance he will do it.


1u on Askren @ +140

[poopoo333]

Re: Bellator 22

1.6u to win 1u on Hornbuckle

[MMA_scientist]

Re: Bellator 22

Proper respect ot Edman555 for setting me on the path.

originally like Hornbuckle here, but the more I look at it, I think Askren is going to win.

I know what the battle here is. The takedown IS going to happen. Hornbuckle does not even try to stop the takedowns. And it wouldn't matter anyway, as Askren is in the top 5 wrestlers in MMA (for the record, Warren is the best wrestler in MMA, IMO. Cormier is up there too... Askren is a 2x, Hendricks is 2x, Conrad is a 2x, Koscheck 1x, Lesnar 1x- those are all of the olympians or NCAA1 champs that I can think of off the top of my head- that are under 35).

So the question is whether Hornbuckle can submit Askren from him back with his very good triangle/armbar/omoplata game. There is also the chance that Askren eats a knee or a head kick coming in.

I think Askren will have enough to avoid the submission. They are both purple belts in bjj. Hornbuckle has a lot more experience in MMA. But his first fight was only in 2006, so I think that rank is probably about right. Askren on the other hand has no discernible skills other than his wrestling/jj game. Luckily, he can impose it on anyone in the world, since he is at the absolute top of the foodchain in takedowns.

Askren has been training his bjj a lot. He went to ADCC in 2009. He defeated Toni Linden, the European trials winner in his first match, then got subbed by Popovitch in his second match. I have said before, Popovitch would be the best grappler in MMA at WW, so there is no shame in that loss, which came by heelhook about 20 seconds in. The Linden win is what I am basing my breakdown on. I cannot find a vid of the match, but I saw it live on the ADCC stream. Linden is a super flixible triangle type, just like Hornbuckle. Askren struggled in teh guard for a minute, pased, mounted, and choked him with an arm triangle. I think there is a very good chance Askren can out position Dan on the mat and maybe even submit him in the same way. If not, he can stall out a win.

With the odds being +140... I think its worth a play.

I actually put 2u pn Askren (not the 1u I said).

[MMA_scientist]

Re: Bellator 22

1.6u to win 1u on Hornbuckle

I thought we were boys.

[poopoo333]

Re: Bellator 22

1.6u to win 1u on Hornbuckle

I thought we were boys.

I think askren will be subbed in the third.

[MMA_scientist]

Re: Bellator 22

I think askren will be subbed in the third.

The sub might come, but it will be in the first or not at all. Once Askren gets a feel for Hornbuckle's guard, he won't be caught.

Watch, Askren will win the striking and Hornbuckle will take him down.

[zY|]

Re: Bellator 22

LOL at 'top of the food chain'.

I just HOPE Askren gets tapped. He's not quite as cocky and horrible as Joe Warren, but he's up there.

[Thewiseman]

Re: Bellator 22

1u on Askren @ +140

[Ludo]

Re: Bellator 22

4u to win 4.6u on Askren

[MMA_scientist]

Re: Bellator 22

I am going to feel horrible now if Askren goes down with you guys jumping on board... I should have probably mentioned that I feel this fight is about 50/50... But with the line @ +140...


Zy, why LOL at top off the food chain? Because he isn't or because I used a Rogan turn of phrase?

[poopoo333]

Re: Bellator 22

Meh I should have put my money on Askren now that I think about it. The value is definitely on him.

[AC88]

Re: Bellator 22

Damn you guys. You're making me want to put money on Askren now. I do see him winning though.

[Ludo]

Re: Bellator 22

Don't mind me, AC88, I'm chasing.

[MMA_scientist]

Re: Bellator 22

I just HOPE Askren gets tapped. He's not quite as cocky and horrible as Joe Warren, but he's up there.

He is annoying. Warren is the worst though- I really want to see him get smashed. I felt so happy when Bibiano armbarred him. Warren is def in my top 5 pfp douchebags in MMA.

I followed Askren's wrestling career and I like his style and his attitude about training, but his personality leaves a lot to be desired.

Warren is just a dick. He dryhumps a B level figher and nearly gets subbed several times, then walks around saying "I am baddest man on the planet." Plus he got banned from the olympics in 2008 for dope smoking, which we all know was to try to mask the roids. Rapist midget cheater who shits on America.

[edman5555]

Re: Bellator 22

Yeah I was reading a lot about Askren last night. Found out something else interesting.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/13 ... kren-16094

This is an interview with him conducted on Feb 06, 2009.

In it he states that he started training in BJJ a "couple of summers ago".

That means at least 2 summers, maybe 3? summer of 2007, maybe 2006. He has been doing BJJ on some level(possibly very infrequently) for 4 years??

Hornbuckly isnt a grappler on his level. Although there is the Jake Rosholt effect to worry about but he got sub'd by Dan miller and Kendell Grove which prob are a step above Hornb in the grappling department. Also Askren is probably taking BJJ a lot more seriously if he has done what he had to do in order to get invited to ADCC.