UFC 119 Sept 25th

[zY|]

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I'd put GG basically on par with Mir. I see your point though.

Gonzaga never beats anyone good. Look at his record. Since the Mirko win,

he's beat: Justin McCully, Josh Hendrix, Chris Tuchsherer
he's lost to: Couture, Werdum, Carwin, JDS

The motherfucker is straight up one of the most overrated fighters ever.

Mir's last three wins are Kongo, Nog, and Lesnar.

Mir would lose to Couture, Werdum, Carwin, JDS. Mir fluked out on Lesnar and will never beat him again, and I'd favor Gonzaga against zombie Nog as well. I put him on par with Mir because they are big HWs with similar skillsets and both wilt when they get punched.

[BillyPilgrim]

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GG would beat Mir IMO. GG is like Mir with better takedowns and better striking.

[SPX]

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Mir would lose to Couture, Werdum, Carwin, JDS. Mir fluked out on Lesnar and will never beat him again, and I'd favor Gonzaga against zombie Nog as well. I put him on par with Mir because they are big HWs with similar skillsets and both wilt when they get punched.

Mir would lose to Couture . . . who lost to Zombie Nog . . . who would lose to Gonzaga?

I mean, this is some MMAthematics that legitimately doesn't make sense.

[SPX]

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GG would beat Mir IMO. GG is like Mir with better takedowns and better striking.

I think Mir would make GG toss his salad.

[zY|]

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Mir would lose to Couture, Werdum, Carwin, JDS. Mir fluked out on Lesnar and will never beat him again, and I'd favor Gonzaga against zombie Nog as well. I put him on par with Mir because they are big HWs with similar skillsets and both wilt when they get punched.

Mir would lose to Couture . . . who lost to Zombie Nog . . . who would lose to Gonzaga?

I mean, this is some MMAthematics that legitimately doesn't make sense.

Whatever, you get my point.

[SPX]

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Whatever, you get my point.

I really don't.

GG fights a good fighter and loses . . . and then the UFC gives him some mid-tier guy who he beats . . . then he loses again to a good fighter.

It's the story of his career. Even his ONE really good win is tainted by the fact that we now know CC was at the beginning of his downward spiral.

[zY|]

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Well then, you're dumb. BillyPilgrim gets my point, and he's way gayer than you.

[BillyPilgrim]

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Whatever, you get my point.

I really don't.

GG fights a good fighter and loses . . . and then the UFC gives him some mid-tier guy who he beats . . . then he loses again to a good fighter.

It's the story of his career. Even his ONE really good win is tainted by the fact that we now know CC was at the beginning of his downward spiral.

you also have to look at the fights themselves. GG has looked good in most of his losses. He was beating Werdum standing. He rocked Carwin and just made a mental mistake before getting steroid punched. Only Randy really put it to him.

Zombie Nog> Randy > Vera > Mir... MMAth doesn't work... just stop it.

I thin GG is better at everything than Mir and would therefore beat him.

[sbjj]

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I think SPX has a very valid point. Mir has proven he CAN beat good fighters, while GG has not proven that.

I also think Mir could hang with both Randy and Werdum both. Maybe beat both of them.

[sbjj]

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Whatever, you get my point.

I really don't.

GG fights a good fighter and loses . . . and then the UFC gives him some mid-tier guy who he beats . . . then he loses again to a good fighter.

It's the story of his career. Even his ONE really good win is tainted by the fact that we now know CC was at the beginning of his downward spiral.

you also have to look at the fights themselves. GG has looked good in most of his losses. He was beating Werdum standing. He rocked Carwin and just made a mental mistake before getting steroid punched. Only Randy really put it to him.

Zombie Nog> Randy > Vera > Mir... MMAth doesn't work... just stop it.

I thin GG is better at everything than Mir and would therefore beat him.

LOL! Fat Mir after his accident. The guy is not even the same fighter. The fact is, like him or not, Mir has beat some good fighters asses. GG has not...NEVER!

[zY|]

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LOL! Fat Mir after his accident. The guy is not even the same fighter. The fact is, like him or not, Mir has beat some good fighters asses. GG has not...NEVER!

So Nog is good, but Cro Cop isn't? Is that what we're getting at? Kongo isn't very good either. And of course Mir wasn't considered to be "back" until he won a fight. He wasn't fat at all in that fight. I think Brandon Vera would still whoop his ass.

[BillyPilgrim]

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I think SPX has a very valid point. Mir has proven he CAN beat good fighters, while GG has not proven that.

I also think Mir could hang with both Randy and Werdum both. Maybe beat both of them.

I think Randy would give Mir the Gonzaga treatment. Werdum would wreck Mir IMO.

Mir has not beaten anyone very good aside from Nog.

He beat Brock once, but that is over now. Kongo is not a top level fighter, and he never was. Mir has also taken some flat out ass whuppings.

Pe De Pano would beat Mir again IMO. Everyone like to blame the wreck, but Pe De Pano is a WAY WAY better grappler than Mir. And he would beat him if they fought tomorrow.

[SPX]

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Mir has proven he CAN beat good fighters, while GG has not proven that.

This is how I see it. GG, for years now, has been riding on this hypetrain of potential. Supposedly there are all these good fighters out there that he can beat, but when he gets the chance he just never delivers. There was a lot of chatter on the forums before the JDS fight about how he was going to "expose" JDS. Now the best his fans can do is talk about how he didn't look bad before getting TKOd 4 minutes into the fight.

[sbjj]

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LOL! Fat Mir after his accident. The guy is not even the same fighter. The fact is, like him or not, Mir has beat some good fighters asses. GG has not...NEVER!

So Nog is good, but Cro Cop isn't? Is that what we're getting at? Kongo isn't very good either. And of course Mir wasn't considered to be "back" until he won a fight. He wasn't fat at all in that fight. I think Brandon Vera would still whoop his ass.

What? Go watch the fight again. That was the pinnacle of his fatness. No, Crocop has not proved to be ANY GOOD in the cage, Nog has. Why is that so hard to see? Dude, I HATE Mir, I can not stand him...but to deny that he does not have an edge over GG in the strength of his wins is borderline insane.

That Kongo guy that you say is not very good beat CC up. But was dropped and tapped in a minute by Mir.

[BillyPilgrim]

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LOL! Fat Mir after his accident. The guy is not even the same fighter. The fact is, like him or not, Mir has beat some good fighters asses. GG has not...NEVER!

I forgot that Mir gets a pass until he wins again...

CroCop was awesome until GG ruined him. He was ranked in the top 5 at the time, I think he might have even been number 2.

So in your world, fighter change from good to bad based on who beat them when.

There is no fat mir. Mir got his shit pushed in by a guy with 2 fights, and barely got by Dan Christionson. Those are the facts, anything else is your spin.