UFC 119 Sept 25th

[SPX]

Re: UFC 119 Sept 25th

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There is no fat mir. Mir got his shit pushed in by a guy with 2 fights, and barely got by Dan Christionson. Those are the facts, anything else is your spin.

Dude, GTFO.

Only a retard can't see that Mir was in terrible shape in his first fights after his accident. That same retard would fail to see that Mir has gotten leaner, stronger, and has better hands today.

[sbjj]

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I think SPX has a very valid point. Mir has proven he CAN beat good fighters, while GG has not proven that.

I also think Mir could hang with both Randy and Werdum both. Maybe beat both of them.

I think Randy would give Mir the Gonzaga treatment. Werdum would wreck Mir IMO.

Mir has not beaten anyone very good aside from Nog.

He beat Brock once, but that is over now. Kongo is not a top level fighter, and he never was. Mir has also taken some flat out ass whuppings.

Pe De Pano would beat Mir again IMO. Everyone like to blame the wreck, but Pe De Pano is a WAY WAY better grappler than Mir. And he would beat him if they fought tomorrow.

You are simply discrediting all of his wins and magifying his losses, even ones that happened when he looked like James Toney. Randy has not given someone the GG treatment since...well, he fought GG.

Every recent win Mir has you just simply discredit, even going so far as to say that one of his wins is "over now"...yea, I guess you are right, that past win is indeed over. and Kongo of course sucks. Never mind the fact that GG has not even beat anyone good enough to make it to a fight with the same guys that Mir has beat.

[BillyPilgrim]

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There is no fat mir. Mir got his shit pushed in by a guy with 2 fights, and barely got by Dan Christionson. Those are the facts, anything else is your spin.

Dude, GTFO.

Only a retard can't see that Mir was in terrible shape in his first fights after his accident. That same retard would fail to see that Mir has gotten leaner, stronger, and has better hands today.

So if I use your logic... I can just decide when a fighter's losses count or dont. And clearly, it must be right...

Only a retard woudl failt o see that Randy peaked at the GG fight, and that he clearly slowed down after that fight and is no longer the same fighter.

Only retard would fail to see that CC peaked at the GG fight, got ruined and was never the same after that.

See, I can make totally assinine and arbitrary statements to support my position too.

[sbjj]

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LOL! Fat Mir after his accident. The guy is not even the same fighter. The fact is, like him or not, Mir has beat some good fighters asses. GG has not...NEVER!

I forgot that Mir gets a pass until he wins again...

CroCop was awesome until GG ruined him. He was ranked in the top 5 at the time, I think he might have even been number 2.

So in your world, fighter change from good to bad based on who beat them when.

There is no fat mir. Mir got his shit pushed in by a guy with 2 fights, and barely got by Dan Christionson. Those are the facts, anything else is your spin.[/quote]

That line nearly made me fall down with laughter. i doubt you even believe that.

[Mr. IWS]

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I'd put GG basically on par with Mir. I see your point though.

Gonzaga never beats anyone good. Look at his record. Since the Mirko win,

he's beat: Justin McCully, Josh Hendrix, Chris Tuchsherer
he's lost to: Couture, Werdum, Carwin, JDS

The motherfucker is straight up one of the most overrated fighters ever.

Mir's last three wins are Kongo, Nog, and Lesnar.

Preach Nigga!

[sbjj]

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There is no fat mir. Mir got his shit pushed in by a guy with 2 fights, and barely got by Dan Christionson. Those are the facts, anything else is your spin.

Dude, GTFO.

Only a retard can't see that Mir was in terrible shape in his first fights after his accident. That same retard would fail to see that Mir has gotten leaner, stronger, and has better hands today.

So if I use your logic... I can just decide when a fighter's losses count or dont. And clearly, it must be right...

Only a retard woudl failt o see that Randy peaked at the GG fight, and that he clearly slowed down after that fight and is no longer the same fighter.

Only retard would fail to see that CC peaked at the GG fight, got ruined and was never the same after that.

See, I can make totally assinine and arbitrary statements to support my position too.

I think you are right in about Randy peaking, although in that fight you could tell that GG's stand up was overrated, and it still is today.

I think you meant that CC peaked before the GG fight, because he sure as hell did not peak at the fight.

[SPX]

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So if I use your logic... I can just decide when a fighter's losses count or dont. And clearly, it must be right...

Don't get emotional when capping.

You know as well as I do that fighters change over time--whether good or bad--and obviously more recent fights are a lot more important than some shit in 2006. Also, it's absolutely important to understand the personal circumstances surrounding a fight. If you're going to buy into the "bruised ribs" excuse for Silva, then why not buy into the fact that Mir was in terrible shape immediately following his accident?

Bottom line is that Mir's resume--not only as a whole, but also in terms of recent performance--is vastly superior to Gonzaga's.

[BillyPilgrim]

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You are simply discrediting all of his wins and magifying his losses, even ones that happened when he looked like James Toney. Randy has not given someone the GG treatment since...well, he fought GG.

Every recent win Mir has you just simply discredit, even going so far as to say that one of his wins is "over now"...yea, I guess you are right, that past win is indeed over. and Kongo of course sucks. Never mind the fact that GG has not even beat anyone good enough to make it to a fight with the same guys that Mir has beat.

And you are doing the opposite. His losses don't count because "he was a different fighter then." His wins are all awesome.

I meant that Frank fluked out against Brock in Brock's 3rd fight. If they fought again, Brock would be -300 or more.

Kongo is awesome... you are are right. That is why he has beaten so many good guys.

Please dont' try to use the UFC's promotion system as a measure of skill, it is ridiculous.

I never said Gonzaga's wins were better than Mir's. I said his losses aren't as bad. From what I see with my own eyes, I think Gonzaga has the edge in every single area of the fight. Better striking, better takedowns, better jiu jitsu.

I disagree with the fat Mir theory. I don't think could beat Vera today. I don't think he would beat Pe de Pano. They are both terrible style matchups for him... they were then, and they are now.

[SPX]

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Preach Nigga!

I was wondering when you were gonna show up.

[BillyPilgrim]

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Mir has a stupid haircut.

That's all I have to add.

[Mr. IWS]

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I don't think could beat Vera today. I don't think he would beat Pe de Pano.

YOU FUCKIN LYIN NOW BILLY. STOP DAT SHIT!

[sbjj]

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You are simply discrediting all of his wins and magifying his losses, even ones that happened when he looked like James Toney. Randy has not given someone the GG treatment since...well, he fought GG.

Every recent win Mir has you just simply discredit, even going so far as to say that one of his wins is "over now"...yea, I guess you are right, that past win is indeed over. and Kongo of course sucks. Never mind the fact that GG has not even beat anyone good enough to make it to a fight with the same guys that Mir has beat.

And you are doing the opposite. His losses don't count because "he was a different fighter then." His wins are all awesome.

I meant that Frank fluked out against Brock in Brock's 3rd fight. If they fought again, Brock would be -300 or more.

Kongo is awesome... you are are right. That is why he has beaten so many good guys.

Please dont' try to use the UFC's promotion system as a measure of skill, it is ridiculous.


I never said Gonzaga's wins were better than Mir's. I said his losses aren't as bad. From what I see with my own eyes, I think Gonzaga has the edge in every single area of the fight. Better striking, better takedowns, better jiu jitsu.

I disagree with the fat Mir theory. I don't think could beat Vera today. I don't think he would beat Pe de Pano. They are both terrible style matchups for him... they were then, and they are now.

I have a feeling in your mind, that everyone is a bad style match up for Mir. I am sure Nog was the worst possible match up. Kongo probably was to, because Frank has shitty takedowns, and there is NO WAY he could put it to a good striker like Kongo.

I think you are the one that is using the UFC promotion system, as you are the one that is backing the fighter(GG) who has had more cans fed to him than any fighter in the UFC. And after he beats up those cans, all the GG fanatics talk about his bitchin striking.

I also strongly disagree with your statemnet that PDP would beat Mir again, Mir would have a huge edge standing in that fight if it were to happen today.

[SPX]

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I have a feeling in your mind, that everyone is a bad style match up for Mir.

Scientist/BP is an avowed Mir hater. He's said before that any time Mir wins is seems like Mir is "fluking out" to him. I guess I have fighters who I feel that way about too, so I don't hold it against him, but you have to understand that that bias is there when you have discussions where Mir is involved.

[Mr. IWS]

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I think SPX has a very valid point. Mir has proven he CAN beat good fighters, while GG has not proven that.

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I dont care who they both lost too, GG has flat out failed against anyone that resembles a good fighter.

dudes can say what they want about Mir, that he is lucky at the time he fought guys, what about the guys that were lucky to fight him when he was fucked up from the accident? That dont count?

He ripped Sylvias arm off, when that guy was undefeated KO'ing everyone
He beat the shit out of Nog when everyone thought Nog was better at everything than Mir
He beat Lesnar. I dont give a shit how you say the guy wilts under pressure, he was getting the shit beat out of him, and still had enough to [insert generic bjj blackbelt vs whitebelt comment]

If they fought today, he would fuckin wreck Pano, Christianson, and Vera. The dude is a top 10 HW, those other guys aint even ranked.

[sbjj]

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His Lesnar win was kinda fluky.