UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

[sideloaded]

Re: Lesnar vs Velasquez

I'm taking Cain in this fight. Not because I'm a Brock hater I bet on him in his last fight and won. Brock has beaten all his opponents with his two greatest strengths, cardio and his top control wrestling. All the guys he beat these were their problem areas. The worst guy at heavyweight signed with the ufc could of of beat Carwin in that second round. It was like he was on a date rape pill, Brock did whatever he wanted to him. The fights with Harring, Kim, and Frank none of those guys had the ability to stay away from being under Brock. Randy was actually a bad match up for Brock except Randy's below average speed let him down big time in the stand exchanges. Imagine Cain a slightly larger, and much faster version of Randy with even more ability in the stand up game. I know Brock is improving in every fight, its clear to everyone, however has he improved enough to beat an opponent with something other then his two greatest strengths? Cain can lose, but I actually think he's a tougher match up for Brock's skill set then say Werdum, Fedor, Overeem or Dos Santos. A Smaller wrestler with great cardio is harder to beat for a power wrestler then a poweful striker(Overeem,Dos Santos, Fedor) or Bjj wizard(Werdum).

[Mr. IWS]

Re: Lesnar vs Velasquez

I think this is going to be the toughest matchup Brock will have between Cain/Carwin/JDS. Cain is a fuckin Terminator.

[sbjj]

Re: Lesnar vs Velasquez

I'm going to be on Cain pretty big if the line stays, or continues to move this direction. As sideloaded pointed out, I believe Cain is the WORST possible matchup for Brock. His speed will be the key here.

[Luke]

Re: Lesnar vs Velasquez

How do you guys see the fight going?

[Luke]

Re: Lesnar vs Velasquez

I think this is going to be the toughest matchup Brock will have between Cain/Carwin/JDS. Cain is a fuckin Terminator.

if you asked me 3 months ago before I started reserching the Carwin-Lesnar fight I would have said Carwin would be his toughest match up

[sbjj]

Re: Lesnar vs Velasquez

Two ways i can see a lesnar win...#1, he catches Cain with a big punch, and follows him down with big GnP. #2, he takes him down and controls him...this scenario I highly doubt, as I suspect that Cain is a good enough wrestler to at least get back up if taken down. i think there is a very decent chance that Cain just lights Brock up on the feet...technically, he is much better than Brock or Carwin. he may not knock Brock around like Shane did, but he will land at will IMO.

[zY|]

Re: Lesnar vs Velasquez

Everyone hopping on my Brown Pride lowrider makes me uneasy.

[Luke]

Re: Lesnar vs Velasquez

Everyone hopping on my Brown Pride lowrider makes me uneasy.

Most of what I've read is after the Carwin hypetrain derailed all the passengers jumped onto the Cain hypetrain

[edman5555]

Re: Lesnar vs Velasquez

Cain's up to +105 on Bodog. Gonna wait for the line to move. Question is: will it ever move enough that I could get Lesnar now and arb later....
[edit: oops, I see someone else posted that]

I dont know if it'll move that much,maybe 30 cents .

Most of what I've read is after the Carwin hypetrain derailed all the passengers jumped onto the Cain hypetrain so that should keep it low enough

There will be no derailment of this hypetrain.

[edman5555]

Re: Lesnar vs Velasquez

Cain has better stand up, better BJJ, and better cardio. He might not be able to outwrestle Brock in the beginning but if he can wear him down..yes I think he will out wrestle him. Cain also has the ability to mix up wrestling and striking much better than Brock which will make Brocks takedowns much harder to pull off.

[Luke]

Re: Lesnar vs Velasquez

There will be no derailment of this hypetrain.

just admit you are one of the Lesnar haters

[edman5555]

Re: Lesnar vs Velasquez

Yes I am. Though I will say I was impressed with his attitute turn around after this fight. He was actually very respectful. I don't think it affects my betting though. Even though Lesnar won this fight, he was ridiculously close, as close as you can possibly get..to losing. I think Cain is a good matchup, styles make fights.

[Ludo]

Re: Lesnar vs Velasquez

1.5u to win 1u on Lesnar.

[Luke]

Re: Lesnar vs Velasquez

Cain has better stand up, better BJJ, and better cardio. He might not be able to outwrestle Brock in the beginning but if he can wear him down..yes I think he will out wrestle him. Cain also has the ability to mix up wrestling and striking much better than Brock which will make Brocks takedowns much harder to pull off.

How do you know Cain has better cardio? Because someone told you he did? I saw people and websites were saying Carwins best round was the 5th lol.

[Ludo]

Re: Lesnar vs Velasquez

We'll see how much better that Cardio is when he's spent about 4-7 minutes having Brock Lean on him against the cage.