UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

[MMA_scientist]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

I'm thinking about putting some money down on Kampmann. It's gotta be hard to get the takedown on a guy who has solid takedown D as well as good standup but he did do it to Hendo. Thats the one fight that kind of has me on the ropes.

If that is all that is holding you back... remember Hendo damn near finished him in the first minute.

Shields had to jump to guard on Lawler. He got him down once, but Lawler popped back up. Then he at a lot of leather and couldn't get Lawler down. Then he jumped into a guillotine. Still, he really couldn't control Lawler or take him down.

That said, Kampmann has not shown that he has a lot of one punch power.

[Ludo]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

While he doesn't have a lot of one punch KO power he is easily a more technical striker than either Hendo or Lawlor. He has a good sprawl and while it's not likely that he avoids every takedown Jake shoots for, his ground game should be good enough to keep out of submissions. Kampmann is very much capable of winning this fight.

[Svino]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

Kampmann's defended against Paulo thiago, Volmann, and Leites..I know Leited doesn't have dynamic take downs but he is good.

I shields Striking really that horrendous? I know everyone says it is but does he really suck that bad? Because Kampmann is pretty solid standing.

Yeah, Shields is really bad on the feet. But IMO, he'll be able to get takedowns on Kampmann all day. Kampmann doesn't really have great takedown defense, and he won't have the strength advantage on Shields that some of his MW opponents did.

[edman5555]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

I'm thinking about putting some money down on Kampmann. It's gotta be hard to get the takedown on a guy who has solid takedown D as well as good standup but he did do it to Hendo. Thats the one fight that kind of has me on the ropes.

If that is all that is holding you back... remember Hendo damn near finished him in the first minute.

Shields had to jump to guard on Lawler. He got him down once, but Lawler popped back up. Then he at a lot of leather and couldn't get Lawler down. Then he jumped into a guillotine. Still, he really couldn't control Lawler or take him down.

That said, Kampmann has not shown that he has a lot of one punch power.

Yeah I just rewatched the fight and I saw Hendo almost finished it in the first..but afte that Shields out wrestled/grappled him.

[SPX]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

Yeah I just rewatched the fight and I saw Hendo almost finished it in the first..but afte that Shields out wrestled/grappled him.

I guess Shields will probably win. So if you put money on him then you'll probably get some money back.

But considering the question marks, and the outrageous line, I would go Kampmann or nothing. But that's just me.

[edman5555]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

shields dec is the best prop bet.

[MMA_scientist]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

Yeah, I doubt Shields finishes him. Unlike Hendo, Kampmann is going to re-guard Shields when he gets passed, which he probably will. Shields has some nice passing skills.

[edman5555]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

I just can't see Kampmann stopping the takedown efficiently..He is no Dan Henderson, 39 years old or not, slightly gassed or not. His standup probably won't be rocking shields either. Dan hits like a TON of bricks and Shields recovered from that. Most likely Kampmann wins some ground on standup but loses a little bit more by getting taken down.

What do you think about Kampmann/Shields Submission ability Scientist?
It doesn't look like Kampmann has been submitted before and he has whipped out quite a few submissions. I noticed Jake had Hendo in some precarious situations submission wise but Hendo also had Jake in some sticky situations. I might have to watch Thales Leites/MArtin K. If they went to the ground at all it might be telling. I know Thales is a real wizard down there.

Final bet im considering: Shields by Dec prop if I am reasonably convinced Kampmann can defend the sub.

[MMA_scientist]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

I don't think Shields will sub him. Shields has a nice passing game and control, but his subs are not overwhelming. No way Kampmann will sub Shields. Up until recently Shields was viewed as sort of wet blanket no real finishing skills. I think he still struggles to finish decent grapplers. I mean, he had Henderson mounted for like 15 minutes and couldn't pound him out or summit him. Hendo has been subbed several times. I think Shields by decision is pretty likely.

[Mr. IWS]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

Cain Training with Bobby Lashley

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[Thewiseman]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

2u on Kampmann

[Mr. IWS]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

Dam this card looks fuckin great

UFC Heavyweight Championship
Brock Lesnar vs. Cain Velasquez

Jake Shields vs. Martin Kampmann
Paulo Thiago vs. Diego Sanchez
Tito Ortiz vs. Matt Hamill
Brendan Schaub vs. Gabriel Gonzaga
* Todd Duffee vs. Jon Madsen
* Patrick Cote vs. Tom Lawlor
* Court McGee vs. Ryan Jensen
* Dongi Yang vs. Chris Camozzi

[Luke]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

Another card that looks at good as 117

[poopoo333]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

Duffee is going to murder Madsen.

[edman5555]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

Duffee is going to murder Madsen.

Madsen isn't that bad.