UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

[Ludo]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

I'll have to see more from him than outstriking Kieth Jardine and Mark Munoz who has no business at Light Heavyweight before I'm convinced his striking isn't bad persay. He certainly has power and he has a wider arsenal of strikes than Tito but Tito is also very seasoned and can take a beating without being put away(see Tito/Machida). You're right, Svino, this very well could turn into a horrible striking match which would suck like a starved hooker with braces on.

[SPX]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

I'll have to see more from him than outstriking Kieth Jardine and Mark Munoz who has no business at Light Heavyweight before I'm convinced his striking isn't bad persay. He certainly has power and he has a wider arsenal of strikes than Tito but Tito is also very seasoned and can take a beating without being put away(see Tito/Machida). You're right, Svino, this very well could turn into a horrible striking match which would suck like a starved hooker with braces on.

Hey, he beat Jon Jones too, via elbows from the mount.

Gotta consider that as well.

[Luke]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

I've made fun of Tito his whole career saying he's one of the most overrated fighters ever and have never bet on him but Hamil is no Evans,Machida,Griffin or Liddell. It all depends on what Tito has left

[Ludo]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

I'll have to see more from him than outstriking Kieth Jardine and Mark Munoz who has no business at Light Heavyweight before I'm convinced his striking isn't bad persay. He certainly has power and he has a wider arsenal of strikes than Tito but Tito is also very seasoned and can take a beating without being put away(see Tito/Machida). You're right, Svino, this very well could turn into a horrible striking match which would suck like a starved hooker with braces on.

Hey, he beat Jon Jones too, via elbows from the mount.

Gotta consider that as well.

BOL

[Thewiseman]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

I love Kampmann at those odds.

[Luke]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

Hey, he beat Jon Jones too, via elbows from the mount.

Gotta consider that as well.

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[SPX]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

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What the fuck?

[Luke]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

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What the fuck?

that was my repsonse to this:

Hey, he beat Jon Jones too, via elbows from the mount.

Gotta consider that as well.

Since ZY wasnt around tonight I figured I say something wierd like he usually does

[AC88]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

I think Kampmann's going to beat Jake. Kampmann's UFC losses have only come to better strikers. Not saying that Jake can't outgrapple him, but seeing as Kampmann has outgrappled everybody else hes fought.... and that Jake's standup is horrendous in comparison, this is a solid dog bet. I'm really happy with this.

[SPX]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

Since ZY wasnt around tonight I figured I say something wierd like he usually does

LOL

I see.

[SPX]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

I think Kampmann's going to beat Jake. Kampmann's UFC losses have only come to better strikers. Not saying that Jake can't outgrapple him, but seeing as Kampmann has outgrappled everybody else hes fought.... and that Jake's standup is horrendous in comparison, this is a solid dog bet. I'm really happy with this.

I went ahead and dropped .5u on Kampmann at +285. I have no idea if he can beat Jake, but like you say, his standup will be lightyears ahead of Jake's and his grappling is a force to be reckoned with. My guess is Jake still outgrapples him, but I figure Thiago would too, and we know how that turned out.

[edman5555]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

Kampmann's defended against Paulo thiago, Volmann, and Leites..I know Leited doesn't have dynamic take downs but he is good.

I shields Striking really that horrendous? I know everyone says it is but does he really suck that bad? Because Kampmann is pretty solid standing.

[SPX]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

I shields Striking really that horrendous? I know everyone says it is but does he really suck that bad? Because Kampmann is pretty solid standing.

Yeah, it's absolutely atrocious. It's more like a parody of striking, than actual striking. He is literally on the bottom rung. If this were a kickboxing match, Kampmann would win 30-24 probably.

[MMA_scientist]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

Hughes > Shields in the striking department.

But Shields is 100% committed to the a ground fight. He won't give up on it and decide to box. I think he will get the takedown on Kampmann eventually. But Kampann probably does have value. Shields is not a great finisher despite his top control. His submissions are not that great. Kampann will get his chances I think.

[edman5555]

Re: UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

I'm thinking about putting some money down on Kampmann. It's gotta be hard to get the takedown on a guy who has solid takedown D as well as good standup but he did do it to Hendo. Thats the one fight that kind of has me on the ropes.