UFC 125

[Thewiseman]

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LOL. Edgar/ Maynard a draw. .02u to win 2u. I wont be posting this on the bet tracker.

[poopoo333]

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Any thoughts on Roberts/Soto?

[MMA_scientist]

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Any thoughts on Roberts/Soto?

It is a grappler/grappler fight. They are both wrestler/bjj guys. Soto is a good HS wrestler with brown belt in BJJ. Roberts was an NAIA AA (not that big of a deal) and a purplein the gi, but has won some grappling tourneys and has more accomplishments in grappling than Soto. He also is faster and has better striking IMO. He is training with Cesar Gracie team now, so his submission defense should be up to par (IMO the best grappling mma camp out there- none of those Cesar Gracie guys has EVER been subbed- except Nate, once, fighting out of his league).

Soto's wrestling has gotten better, but he showed in the Riddle fight that he has to be on top to win against anotehr grappler. I think Roberts may put him on his back, but if not, Roberts still has a good chance.

Anyway, I got Roberts in that one via superior wrestling, bjj, and striking.

[MMA_scientist]

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My picks:

Maynard. They fought before, it wasn't that long ago and it wasn't close. Don't see why he doesn't do the same thing again. Fight probably goes the distance.

Stann. I just don't think Leben's actual skills are very good. He can bang, but so can Stann. I think Stann is quicker and more technical, and he has actually improved a lot. I think Stann just out strikes him.

Thiago Silva. Silva fights like a wild man, and I just don't think Vera can catch him. Boring fight, won by aggression.

Diaz. Stun Gun has been getting by in very close decisions. I think Diaz stuffs a lot of his takedowns and peppers him, maybe subs him from his back.

Grispi. Probably more competive than people think it will be, but Grispi gets it done by being better everywhere.

McKee. Even though Volkmann is the more credentialed wrestler, McKee is clearly a better wrestler. McKee wins in the usual fashion

Mike Thomas Brown. Close and tough to call, but I will take Brown via having more time on top.

Roberts. See above.

Tavares. By default.


Possible bets: Edgar or Maynard by decision, Guida, Roberts (to -180), McKee (to -250), Diaz.

[SPX]

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There wasn't anything really close about Stun Gun's win over Amir.

[MMA_scientist]

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^ true. I guess his fight with Grant wasn't thatclose either... but he hasn't done anything terribly impressive either...

[SPX]

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^ true. I guess his fight with Grant wasn't thatclose either... but he hasn't done anything terribly impressive either...

Apparently his nickname is "Stun Gun" because he has a mean left hand. I'm still waiting to see that.

[MMA_scientist]

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I would love to see him beat Diaz, and KOing him be even better. But he seems like top control only guy to me. Then if he can't get top position, he loses. I would like to see him fight a strong wrestler. Karo beat him... but even Karo is not too tough to take down. Grant has no takedown defense, and Amir is getting better in that area, but I don't know how it was then. Diaz is obviously not great in that area either though... but at least he offers the threat of submission. I guess it is a good style matchup for Kim, but Diaz is getting good. Maybe I should just tack "Not Hyung ITD" on to all my bets as a booster.

[SPX]

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I thought the Karo fight was too close to call . . . more of a draw really. I could see a case for saying either guy won that fight, although gun to my head I probably would've given it to Karo, too.

[poopoo333]

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Stann. I just don't think Leben's actual skills are very good. He can bang, but so can Stann. I think Stann is quicker and more technical, and he has actually improved a lot. I think Stann just out strikes him.

Glad I'm not the only one.

[SPX]

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Fuck ya'll and War Leben.

[Luke]

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Stann. I just don't think Leben's actual skills are very good. He can bang, but so can Stann. I think Stann is quicker and more technical, and he has actually improved a lot. I think Stann just out strikes him.

Glad I'm not the only one.

I also like Stann

[Mr. IWS]

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Fuck ya'll and War Leben.

[edman5555]

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My picks:

Maynard. They fought before, it wasn't that long ago and it wasn't close. Don't see why he doesn't do the same thing again. Fight probably goes the distance.

Stann. I just don't think Leben's actual skills are very good. He can bang, but so can Stann. I think Stann is quicker and more technical, and he has actually improved a lot. I think Stann just out strikes him.

Thiago Silva. Silva fights like a wild man, and I just don't think Vera can catch him. Boring fight, won by aggression.

Diaz. Stun Gun has been getting by in very close decisions. I think Diaz stuffs a lot of his takedowns and peppers him, maybe subs him from his back.

Grispi. Probably more competive than people think it will be, but Grispi gets it done by being better everywhere.

McKee. Even though Volkmann is the more credentialed wrestler, McKee is clearly a better wrestler. McKee wins in the usual fashion

Mike Thomas Brown. Close and tough to call, but I will take Brown via having more time on top.

Roberts. See above.

Tavares. By default.


Possible bets: Edgar or Maynard by decision, Guida, Roberts (to -180), McKee (to -250), Diaz.

I'm pretty much with you on most of those. I was originally on Stun Gun at first but after reading more about him I found what you noticed. He had close fights with Karo and Matt Brown, neither of whom are very good. Nate is also a different Nate at 170 pounds. He might be better suited for that weight class. He is 6 feet tall so he can fill out a little better there. His main weakness is wrestling/takedowns so I can definetly see him losing. He is pretty appealing as a dog though.

McKee lost to Karo Parisyan. I would like to see that tape. That is the one thing that stops me from betting him.

I think Stann can beat Leben also but Leben is always game for mid level guys. They both seem to be improving as well.

I think Guida beats Gomi. Guida has been at Jacksons now and he seems like he is getting good. I wish he was a dog.

I think Daniel Roberts will be Soto. Roberts seems like a beast.

I have to wonder how the weight cut will effect Marcus Davis. He gassed in his last fight at 170, blamed overtraining. Who knows. I can't see him winning this though.

Thiago is a beast. He has way more power standing. I would think he should be able to drop Vera but who knows how Vera will be after having his face smashed in. Maybe he will be all beasty now. I def think Vera can outpoint him standing regardless. He also has good wrestling.

The only bet I know I will be making is Maynard Decision.

[MMA_scientist]

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^ I forgot about Stephens/Davis. I think Stephens wins that pretty handily. Davis got old all of the sudden.