Despite Broken Face, Vera Still Doesn't Buy the Jones Hype

[SPX]

Re: Despite Broken Face, Vera Still Doesn't Buy the Jones Hy

So because people say wrong shit and make unnuanced oversimplifications all the time means I have to as well? I don't even know how else you would say what my point was. Shogun uses his ground game to leverage positions for head pounding. I'm not going to call him a wrestler because that's not what he does.

Well do what you do, dawg.

[zY|]

Re: Despite Broken Face, Vera Still Doesn't Buy the Jones Hy

So because people say wrong shit and make unnuanced oversimplifications all the time means I have to as well? I don't even know how else you would say what my point was. Shogun uses his ground game to leverage positions for head pounding. I'm not going to call him a wrestler because that's not what he does.

Well do what you do, dawg.

You are so goddamn black.

[Ludo]

Re: Despite Broken Face, Vera Still Doesn't Buy the Jones Hy

I hope you're just being glib and not actually that retarded.

I really don't agree that his BJJ is the best part of his game. Best in what sense? Because he has only won one fight by submission.

I'm not saying he doesn't have good ground skills, but Shogun is a striker.

Shogun is only able to pull off alot of the striking he does(especially the flashy karate spin kicks and shit) because he knows for a fact even if he does get taken down he's a very accomplished grappler. Lets not kid ourselves and act like he's a Striker who can grapple, he was a Grappler who is at a level of grappling that he can do basically whatever he wants with strikes without much worry.

[SPX]

Re: Despite Broken Face, Vera Still Doesn't Buy the Jones Hy

You are so goddamn black.

A black man living in a white man's world. . .

[zY|]

Re: Despite Broken Face, Vera Still Doesn't Buy the Jones Hy

If you want to understand bjj for your mma wagering, go look at Saulo Ribeiro's "Jiu Jitsu University" book. That is pretty much the best book on bjj technique IMO.

Christ BJJ is expensive. I can't even find this BOOK for less than $25 and it's used.

[Ludo]

Re: Despite Broken Face, Vera Still Doesn't Buy the Jones Hy

I'm not saying that BJJ was only submissions. I'm saying that when people talk about someone's BJJ they're usually talking about their ability to submit people. When they talk about their wrestling, they're usually talking about their ability to move.

When someone talks about shooting double-legs, they almost always refer to that as that fighter's "wrestling." But Judo has double-legs, too.

I hope you see what I'm getting at.

Thats because there are a vast number of guys who wrestling in MMA and very few in contrast who have done any serious Judo work.

[zY|]

Re: Despite Broken Face, Vera Still Doesn't Buy the Jones Hy

Hey Scientist, do you have an opinion on the book 'Mastering Jiu-Jitsu' by Renzo and Danaher? I ask because they have it at the library.

[MMA_scientist]

Re: Despite Broken Face, Vera Still Doesn't Buy the Jones Hy

^^ I haven't looked at it. But I have heard that Danaher is a really good teacher. You can't really learn shit from a book. They are nice as a supplement and reference though.

[MMA_scientist]

Re: Despite Broken Face, Vera Still Doesn't Buy the Jones Hy

[quote=zY|]

If you want to understand bjj for your mma wagering, go look at Saulo Ribeiro's "Jiu Jitsu University" book. That is pretty much the best book on bjj technique IMO.

Christ BJJ is expensive. I can't even find this BOOK for less than $25 and it's used.[/quote:18eocqzw]

It is one of the more expensive books. It is full color glossy on every page, and it is thick. I think I paid $40 bucks for it at B&N.

I probably wouldn't buy it though, unless you are planning on training. Because most of it is pretty basic, but there a alot of details for a book. You aren't going to see anything in there you haven't seen before. But there is a lot of Saulo's philosophy in there, which is why I like it. Just flip through it at B&N.

[zY|]

Re: Despite Broken Face, Vera Still Doesn't Buy the Jones Hy

^^ I haven't looked at it. But I have heard that Danaher is a really good teacher. You can't really learn shit from a book. They are nice as a supplement and reference though.

Yeah I don't actually intend to learn how to do it, just want to bolster my knowledge.