MFC 26

[zY|]

Re: MFC 26

I'm saying I want to see it. He's earned his crack at being in the UFC so let's see it. Hello McFly? Anybody home?

I've already said that's fine with me. I'm just saying that he's not going to climb very far.

It's almost like you're mad that he might beat a few precious UFC guys.

[poopoo333]

Re: MFC 26

^ that is hadaka jime, which I also learned from a judoka... it really doesnt have a bjj name, because no one uses it.

but I see online that some people call a RNC the same thing... so maybe they are interchangeable in japanese.

Well fair enough. Not how I learned it, though.

With that said, having that sort of pressure against your adam's apple sucks, and feels like it could be permanently damaging. I'd be surprised that fighters don't tap from it.

I would always do it like that with the gi on, because I sucked at getting chokes from the back with the gi.

[MMA_scientist]

Re: MFC 26

maybe so. But an olympian or even current world level talent like Brent Metcalf would put Maynard firmly on his rear end.

He would do this in wrestling or in MMA? Because we've seen that there can be a difference.

Well, some guys can't take a punch... but Metcalf has the shooting style that would translate to MMA (IMO). Some really great wrestlers don't take to submissions either. So even though he might be a bad matchup for Gray, he probably would never get through the gamut of strikers and submission guys to get to that level. I see it the same way as a lot of boxers... I think there were a lot of boxers that would whup guys like Chuck in his prime (assuming he stood with them, which I think he would have in his prime)... but they would never get to earn a crack at Chuck because they would never survive the gamut of wrestlers to get to him. Chuck was the best striker with takedown defense. Gray (right now) is the best wrestler with submission and striking defense.

I honestly think a guy like Metcalf could show up tomorrow and give Gray a run for his money... but he would probably never beat Nate Diaz.

[SPX]

Re: MFC 26

It's almost like you're mad that he might beat a few precious UFC guys.

I'm not mad at all. I'm sure he could beat some UFC LWs. He's a champion. It's just like Carlos Condit is beating some UFC fighters. And Ben Henderson could, too.

All I'm doing is cautioning against unrealistic expectations. I wouldn't expect him to take the world by storm or anything.

[MMA_scientist]

Re: MFC 26

Isn't that what Fedor choked out Tim Sylvia with?

I think it is... which makes sense because of Fedor's judo background.

SPX, it does hurt like a mother, but if you dont panic you realize that it is mostly pain. If you have large muscles in the front of your neck, the adam's apple cant really be crushed past that point, without using the thumbs to press it in further... so it is really just pain/panic. I have used it sevral times in grappling comp and it always gets a tap.

[MMA_scientist]

Re: MFC 26

I would always do it like that with the gi on, because I sucked at getting chokes from the back with the gi.

that's when I use it too... it is hard to get a RNC with the gi... put you can slip the wrist in for a little throat cruching action.

[SPX]

Re: MFC 26

SPX, it does hurt like a mother, but if you dont panic you realize that it is mostly pain. If you have large muscles in the front of your neck, the adam's apple cant really be crushed past that point, without using the thumbs to press it in further... so it is really just pain/panic. I have used it sevral times in grappling comp and it always gets a tap.

Interesting. I have had it done to me and I didn't want it to go any further than it did because I felt I would be permanently injured if that were the case.

But that's really not how I learned the hadaka jime. I learned it as an RNC, except that you clasp your hands together instead of grabbing your bicep.

[zY|]

Re: MFC 26

[quote=MMA_scientist]

Isn't that what Fedor choked out Tim Sylvia with?

I think it is... which makes sense because of Fedor's judo background.

SPX, it does hurt like a mother, but if you dont panic you realize that it is mostly pain. If you have large muscles in the front of your neck, the adam's apple cant really be crushed past that point, without using the thumbs to press it in further... so it is really just pain/panic. I have used it sevral times in grappling comp and it always gets a tap.[/quote:32hbynbo]

Yeah. He did the same thing to Fujita. I'd bet Fedor squeezes hard enough that he could probably hurt you with it.

[MMA_scientist]

Re: MFC 26

Yeah. He did the same thing to Fujita. I'd bet Fedor squeezes hard enough that he could probably hurt you with it.

Truth be told, the neck muscle/paini thing is what I have been told by my teachers... personally, I think you could easily crush the windpipe with the wrist deep version like Fedor does. But I can also see how having teh forearm all the way across like JT did would not give you enough leverage to crush it.

But yeah, I don't rally have any desire to test my instructor's theory. Someone does that to me, I am tapping.

BUt if you push in on your own throat, you will feel that there comes a stop point, and if your neck muscles protrude past that point... I don't really see how you could crush it without some very specific pressure.

[SPX]

Re: MFC 26

BUt if you push in on your own throat, you will feel that there comes a stop point, and if your neck muscles protrude past that point... I don't really see how you could crush it without some very specific pressure.

You should go ahead and test it out and let us know.

I apply pressure to my adam's apple and it's 100% gay. I'm not fucking with that shit.

[Svino]

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I remember hearing something about police departments changing their training to shift away from the "bar-arm choke" with the forearm across the front and towards the RNC style choke with the elbow under the chin, under the belief that the bar-arm choke could damage the windpipe.

'Course it's easier to just taser anything that moves.

[zY|]

Re: MFC 26

Course it's easier to just taser anything that moves.

Oh of course. Tasers are nice tools to have, but the way they seem to be used is fucking bullshit.

[doublearmbar]

Re: MFC 26

YES! +5u, Thanks Scientist, on the pick.

[Mr. IWS]

Re: MFC 26

What the fuck kind of a gongshow is this? Is there no doctor? They just left his carcass in the ring by itself. The ref walked away like oh well, fuck it.

LMAO

For anyone who didn't see it, witness greatness

literally was like "pfffffft WTF?" haha

[MMA_scientist]

Re: MFC 26

YES! +5u, Thanks Scientist, on the pick.

nice work... what was your bet?

JT was SPX's play. I will take credit for Lima though. It still doesn't make up for Clementi though. I just need Darebdayan to pull through for me tonight for my weekend to be +