Slump buster

[SPX]

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Condit has not looked good to me since taking the step up in competition.

I think that it's obvious Condit is not in the WEC anymore, and he's not ready for the top of the division, but he does seem good at finding ways to win. I mean, he ALMOST lost to Ellenberger but came back . . . and ALMOST lost to MacDonald but came back . . .

[Svino]

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I am also starting to think maybe Brocks power is not what everyone thinks it is. the dude tagged Heath with one good shot, and TKO'd randy, the same Randy that was dropped by Nog.

In hindsight, I would say that Brock's performance against Couture was positively underwhelming. Randy seemed to have aged a bit during that layoff. It wasn't just Nog - Randy was completely unable to hang with Vera at striking range. Also, for an NCAA champion, the fact that Brock wasn't able to really outwrestle a guy 40 pounds lighter and 15 years older doesn't say great things.

And I might have whined about this before, but I'm pretty sure the shot Brock dropped randy with was illegal.


I don't know about BJ. He has never been great above LW, and when it comes to looking past one's peak, I think he looked as bad in his last fight as Hughes ever did. If he brings the same takedown defense he brought to Edgar 2, Hughes will beat him again.

[SPX]

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And I might have whined about this before, but I'm pretty sure the shot Brock dropped randy with was illegal.

I only regard a shot to the back of the head as "illegal" if it's done intentionally and is a clear shot to the line of the spine. (Mohawk interpretation.) Apparently the judges and referees agree, otherwise Brock, Serra, Vitor, Jon Jones, and Aldo would all have losses via DQ.

Quite frankly, this talk of "illegal" shots is hard to me to deal with. If a man throws a punch and the other fighter ducks into it and gets tagged in some way that it could be construed as being to the back of the head, then that's not illegal. That's called fighting.

[Luke]

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Quite frankly, this talk of "illegal" shots is hard to me to deal with. If a man throws a punch and the other fighter ducks into it and gets tagged in some way that it could be construed as being to the back of the head, then that's not illegal. That's called fighting.

^^^^^ what he said

[sbjj]

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My bets are going to be Askren, Cain, and BJ for sure... the others are no bets for me...

Re: Condit/Hardy... Condit does not have the tools to take the fight to the mat. If he does manage to get it there, he can't keep it there. So it comes down to who has better striking. I think Hardy is overrated too, and I think almost any wrestler at WW would beat him. But I think he has too much power and will just be too strong for Condit. He does use more kicks and knees though. I just don't see a path to victory for Condit, other than a decision, which will be close in any event. Hardy could win a decision or finish him off with a big shot. Condit has not looked good to me since taking the step up in competition.

Brock is not going to hold Cain down. Watch a college wrestling match. None of these guys can hold each other down for more than 10 seconds. The wrestling skil disparity is small.

This to me just sums up the wrestling portion of this fight. I would actually not be surprised if Brock ends up spending more time on his back during this fight.

[Svino]

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Quite frankly, this talk of "illegal" shots is hard to me to deal with. If a man throws a punch and the other fighter ducks into it and gets tagged in some way that it could be construed as being to the back of the head, then that's not illegal. That's called fighting.

Are you saying you feel the same about groin shots?

I wasn't suggesting a DQ. In that situation, I think the technically correct is to stand the fighters up and give 1 min to recover.

[SPX]

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Are you saying you feel the same about groin shots?

I'm saying that the invocation of the "rule" has gotten out of hand.

It was added to the ruleset for one reason: The keep fighters from getting paralyzed. This is only applicable to fighters who get hit directly along the spinal line. You just can't say that any time a fighter's fist somehow comes into contact behind the ears that it's an "illegal" shot. It's just the most retarded shit ever.

[Svino]

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Are you saying you feel the same about groin shots?

I'm saying that the invocation of the "rule" has gotten out of hand.

It was added to the ruleset for one reason: The keep fighters from getting paralyzed. This is only applicable to fighters who get hit directly along the spinal line. You just can't say that any time a fighter's fist somehow comes into contact behind the ears that it's an "illegal" shot. It's just the most retarded shit ever.

You just mean the "back of the head" rule? Actually I wouldn't mind if they got rid of that rule entirely. I hate it when guys can just cover up by guarding the sides of their head and leaving the back exposed. But if you make the rule, you should enforce it. I don't think you need to make a big deal out of it, unless there's a shot to the back of the head that significantly changes the course of the fight - like by causing a knockdown.

[Ludo]

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Are you saying you feel the same about groin shots?

I'm saying that the invocation of the "rule" has gotten out of hand.

It was added to the ruleset for one reason: The keep fighters from getting paralyzed. This is only applicable to fighters who get hit directly along the spinal line. You just can't say that any time a fighter's fist somehow comes into contact behind the ears that it's an "illegal" shot. It's just the most retarded shit ever.

You just mean the "back of the head" rule? Actually I wouldn't mind if they got rid of that rule entirely. I hate it when guys can just cover up by guarding the sides of their head and leaving the back exposed. But if you make the rule, you should enforce it. I don't think you need to make a big deal out of it, unless there's a shot to the back of the head that significantly changes the course of the fight - like by causing a knockdown.

The problem with that is what do you do when you run into a Jon Jones/Stephan Bonnar situation where the strike at the time it was thrown was in no way shape or form designed to hit the back of the head but because the other fighter moved the wrong way it ended up being that way? How was Jones supposed to know Bonnar would come forward when he noticed a spinning back elbow was coming? Also, what do you define as "back of the head"? Is it anything behind the ears or there something more specific and less defined, therefore being harder to enforce? if it is to be anything behind the ears then we would be seeing "Illegal" strikes in almost every fight. Any looping punch could then potentially be one that lands in an illegal area.

[SPX]

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The problem with that is what do you do when you run into a Jon Jones/Stephan Bonnar situation where the strike at the time it was thrown was in no way shape or form designed to hit the back of the head but because the other fighter moved the wrong way it ended up being that way? How was Jones supposed to know Bonnar would come forward when he noticed a spinning back elbow was coming? Also, what do you define as "back of the head"? Is it anything behind the ears or there something more specific and less defined, therefore being harder to enforce? if it is to be anything behind the ears then we would be seeing "Illegal" strikes in almost every fight. Any looping punch could then potentially be one that lands in an illegal area.

Yes, that's pretty much exactly how I feel right there. . .

[MMA_scientist]

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after some thought, I have decided to just free myself of all limits. I am going to keep a parlay project bankroll of 10u and the rest is for betting any fight within my parameters that has value.

Thanks for the talk guys. You probably saved me a shitload of money.

[SPX]

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after some thought, I have decided to just free myself of all limits. I am going to keep a parlay project bankroll of 10u and the rest is for betting any fight within my parameters that has value.

I personally think that's the best idea. If you feel like you're weak in evaluating strikers or weak in picking underdogs, I would just work on those skills, instead of limiting yourself by saying, "I'm only going to bet THIS kind of fight or THAT" kind of fight.

At the same time, I would say to focus the majority of your money in the area where you know you're strongest.

[edman5555]

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Cheick Kongo, Good slump buster bet. I think.