Bellator 34

[SPX]

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I did.

Well, that shit was fucked up . . . appealing to Tibau's mediocrity as a fighter is no excuse in my book.

[Ludo]

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What does the Uno fight have to do with anything? Just because Caol Uno has ALWAYS been a small lightweight, and is a 35 year old who has been fighting for fifteen years and hasn't won a fight in the last two years. All of a sudden his losing has everything to do with Gleison Tibau cutting weight and nothing to to with the fact that Caol is probably past his prime(given his 5 losses and 1 draw in his last 7 fights)?

I see where your coming from because of how the fight went, but it isn't so cut and dry.

[SPX]

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^^^ In my opinion, he easily won the Camoes fight, even WITHOUT the point deduction. WITH the point deduction it was a blowout.

Also, a lot of people feel like he won the Fisher fight. Not necessarily me, but it was very close.

In any case, I'm just saying it's bullshit that a fighter is allowed to come in that much bigger than everyone else. It defeats the purpose of weight classes. They're there for a reason . . . right?

Everyone who's beat Tibau has done so because he's really not a great fighter. He kind of compensates by being huge. Weight classes are supposed to make fights about skill, not size.

[Ludo]

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I'm just saying. This isn't against the rules. Everyone knows about weight cutting, everyone knows who typically cuts a ton of weight. If you can't hang with the guys who cut weight then drop down a weight class. By rights Thiago Alves and Rumble Johnson should be fighting at Middleweight. GSP as well. Anderson should be fighting at Light Heavyweight. Forrest and Rampage should be fighting at Heavyweight. But there's no reason for this because everyone knows these guys are big even for the weight classes and should gameplan accordingly. Didn't we just get another lesson in Skill>Size on saturday?

[zY|]

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What Ludo said.

And I don't necessarily disagree with you in theory, SPX. My view is more pragmatic. Fighters are always going to look for an advantage, and from a logistical standpoint, there's really no way that I can think of that would ensure everyone weighs the same. The way it's done now strikes the best balance between a level playing field and fighter safety.

Aside from the obvious fact of people just not weighing the same.

[poopoo333]

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I have a belly button.

[SPX]

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I think the best way to deal with this is weigh-ins 15 minutes before the fight. There would probably be a rough patch there with guys trying to beat the system, but eventually everyone would realize it's time to change shit up.

Just come in, be healthy, feel good, and fight at your natural weight.

[zY|]

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I think the best way to deal with this is weigh-ins 15 minutes before the fight. There would probably be a rough patch there with guys trying to beat the system, but eventually everyone would realize it's time to change shit up.

Just come in, be healthy, feel good, and fight at your natural weight.

That's not naive at all.

[SPX]

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That's not naive at all.

What exactly are you saying? They're going to rehydrate in 15 minutes?

[zY|]

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That's not naive at all.

What exactly are you saying? They're going to rehydrate in 15 minutes?

I'm saying they're going to die or get severely brain damaged from fighting dehydrated. I'm saying your feel-good platitudes are simply that.

[SPX]

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I'm saying they're going to die or get severely brain damaged from fighting dehydrated. I'm saying your feel-good platitudes are simply that.

Well I'm saying that after a couple of them die they'll learn their lesson and play by the rules.

[Ludo]

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Is that really the way we want shit to be? This sport isn't even legal in some states still and you propose and idea that raises the mortality rate on an already potentially lethal concept? Insanity.

[SPX]

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Is that really the way we want shit to be? This sport isn't even legal in some states still and you propose and idea that raises the mortality rate on an already potentially lethal concept? Insanity.

My point, obviously, is that if we get rid of weight cutting altogether then everyone will be happy and healthy, and the contests will be fair.

Surely you can understand that.

[Svino]

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Can't you do something like a double weigh-in? One the day before and one at the fight? Seems like there's no way someone would try to stay cut in weight for 24 hrs leading right up to the fight.

[Ludo]

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Or guys who aren't big enough can just move down a weight class. A whole lot easier than trying to regulate shit for up to 25 guys over the course of two days.