live broadcast of the Chael Sonnen/Josh Barnett CSAC

[Luke]

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Well damn, Chael actually got something out of this.

Does that 6 month suspension include his 3 months he's already done? If so, his ass could be fighting at the beginning of March. That's not bad at all.

Yeah the 6 months includes the 3 he's already done

[SPX]

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Yeah the 6 months includes the 3 he's already done

Well other than maybe being pissed due to the principle of the matter, Chael got off light. The UFC can go ahead and set his next fight up and he can start training immediately.

See you in the cage in March, Chael.

[Luke]

Re: live broadcast of the Chael Sonnen (R-Or) (R-Or)/Josh Ba

Chael "my balls never dropped" Sonnen

[MMA_scientist]

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Testosterone "therapy" is such a joke. Chael says he didn't know he couldn't take testosterone and gets a 6 month cut. Sherk got screwed. CSAC is a joke.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/testos ... py/MC00030

Gain muscle mass, never grow old, increae your energy level!!

[SPX]

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^^^ Yeah, but I think some people really DO have test deficiencies.

[MMA_scientist]

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Maybe so... but Sonnen is not one of them.

he might have had low T compared to a 20 year old... but not compared to other 35 year olds. He just tried to cheat and got caught.

[Mr. IWS]

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Kizer not impressed with his performance

http://www.cagesideseats.com/2010/12...could-cost-him
While Chael Sonnen got his suspension cut in half at his hearing with the California State Athletic Commission this afternoon, he may have gotten himself in more trouble thanks to a statement about a conversation he claimed to have had with Keith Kizer, the Executive Director of the Nevada State Athletic Commission. Sonnen claimed that he had spoken to Kizer about his use of testosterone as part of hormone replacement therapy, had the use approved by Kizer, and was told by Kizer that he didn't need to mention it again. At the very least, Kizer had already told me that Sonnen had never requested a therapeutic use exemption for testosterone when it was revealed that Sonnen's claim would be based around testosterone replacement therapy. With Sonnen's claim on the record involving a conversation with Kizer, I got in touch with him again to get his thoughts on what Sonnen said today.

He immediately noted that "I have never talked to Chael Sonnen in my life," regardless of the subject. With regards to Sonnen's licensing in Nevada when the California suspension expires, he added that it would have to wait until after the California suspension expires, and then "if Mr. Sonnen wants to get a license here in Nevada, it's probably best if he appears before our commission as opposed to me giving him one administratively." As far as the comments during the hearing could be an issue: "Possibly. I mean anything's a possible issue, but yeah, it's probably best that he appears before the commission and explains what he meant by that. I'm very confused."

After the hearing, Sonnen refused to speak to any reporters, including Josh Gross of ESPN, who repeatedly asked about the Kizer comments.

As far as the rest of the hearing goes, Mike Fagan did a great job liveblogging the hearing a Bloody Elbow if you want to read the live reactions.

Anyway, what just happened was a complete embarrassment to the California State Athletic Commission, the UFC, and the sport of MMA in general. I'm not even sure what to think of it.

The...err...highlights included:



* Sonnen blaming the CSAC, who had no records of the paperwork he submitted before the Yushin Okami fight where he requested a therapeutic use exemption (TUE) for testosterone.
* Sonnen claiming that he was teased during his adolescent years over not going through puberty (it wasn't clear if he meant literally or not until later, as it's a stretch even by Sonnen standards to say that it had been going on so long without diagnosis or treatment)
* Sonnen claiming that the CSAC okayed Matt Lindland's use of testosterone.
* Sonnen claiming that he had believed that UFC's Dr. Davidson was part of the CSAC. He asserted that Davidson was aware of all of his testosterone use.
* Dr. Mark Czarnecki, D.O., Sonnen's physician, being a total embarrassment. He testified in a T-shirt while chewing gum and may have been in no condition to perform testify. He's not an endocrinologist or a urologist, but he's undergoing some sort of life extension/anti-aging training (no, that's not a warning sign at all). When asked if he knew who "Dana" was, he answered "a high capacity...UFC...uh..." before being cut off. He didn't know of any drugs that could lower natural testosterone levels (like steroids). This was simultaneously incredibly uncomfortable and incredibly hilarious to watch.
* Sonnen's lawyers claiming that the suspension violates the Americans With Disabilities Act.

[MMA_scientist]

Re: live broadcast of the Chael Sonnen (R-Or) (R-Or)/Josh Ba

If the UFC lets him fight on TRT, every fighter will soon be on it.

read http://www.watchkalibrun.com/2010/12/3/ ... -open-your

also weight cutting can have a temporary affect on T levels, artificially dropping them.

[zY|]

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If the UFC lets him fight on TRT, every fighter will soon be on it.

read http://www.watchkalibrun.com/2010/12/3/ ... -open-your

also weight cutting can have a temporary affect on T levels, artificially dropping them.

That tool on watchkalibrun is such a total faggot.

[MMA_scientist]

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^ I don't read that site, I just saw a link to it.

BUt I agree with him at least in that article, regardless of his sexual persuasion.

[zY|]

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Look at the comments section of any bloodyelbow article ever. He's in there trolling everyone who disagrees with them and calling them all homophobes. Actually don't, just take my word for it. He cries about everything. And I don't care if everyone and their mom takes trt.

[MMA_scientist]

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we know, we know. You think all steroids should also be legal also. But since they're not, then TRT should not be legal either IMO

[zY|]

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Yeah I guess, but I'm just having a hard time giving a shit.

[SPX]

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we know, we know. You think all steroids should also be legal also. But since they're not, then TRT should not be legal either IMO

Does that mean you feel that if a fighter really needed it--i.e. without it he is actually at a disadvantage in the cage--then he just shouldn't be allowed to pursue a career in MMA? It seems to me that if it just gets you to where everyone else is, then it's not a problem. But I do agree that it could be abused, perhaps extensively.

[Luke]

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we know, we know. You think all steroids should also be legal also. But since they're not, then TRT should not be legal either IMO

Does that mean you feel that if a fighter really needed it--i.e. without it he is actually at a disadvantage in the cage--then he just shouldn't be allowed to pursue a career in MMA? It seems to me that if it just gets you to where everyone else is, then it's not a problem. But I do agree that it could be abused, perhaps extensively.

Everyone has their disadvantages in the cage . You dont think alot of fighters would like to be taller, have longer arms, gain muscle, lose weight etc? Why should Sonnen's problem be any more important than any other fighters?