Thoughts from my first year of MMA gambling!

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  • Dr_Ngo
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2010
    • 194

    Thoughts from my first year of MMA gambling!

    So the year's almost over and I finished at +15 units, or 15% of my bankroll. Overall pretty happy as I was just trying to beat a 8% return and was even up 30% at one point.

    Some of my thoughts and lessons learned from this year

    Ring rust is real and should be accounted for. Rampage looked like shit vs Rashad, Sean Sherk gassed. Shoguns previous fights after Knee surgeries.

    Double check before finalizing bets. I had two huge mistakes with Sportbet. I’m use to putting in my bet as how much I want to risk. Like $200 means, I’m risking $200. On Sportbet it’s the opposite, means you want to win $200. So what happened is me wanting to put $500 on Rolles Gracie vs. Joey Beltran, not realizing that SportBet made me wager $1000 instead. So double check!

    Freak fights are opportunities - Couture over Toney, Tim Silvia vs. Pudzianowski. Also in hindsight, Overeem vs. Rogers was a HUGE mismatch.

    Undefeated fights, hype vs. real deal - These are the kinda matches I have the most trouble with, is this new prospect overhyped or the real deal? I made money on Miller vs. Olivera, but lost twice this year betting against Cain. I'm thinking it's better for me to avoid these matches and stick to fights with guys that have a lot of history.

    Immediate rematches - So Edgar beat Penn, and he's an underdog in the immediate rematch? Shogun arguably beat Machida and he's an underdog in the immediate rematch? Shit didn't make sense to me. They beat them already, can beat them again. And I made $ from it. I'm also thinking rematches will favor the original winner. Fitch won against Alves and I'm betting on Maynard over Edgar.

    MMA judging is an x factor. I’ve lost a lot of bets due to bad judging, dunham/sherk, phan/Garcia, lil nog vs. bader, Machida vs rampage. Not much you can do to prepare for it, but realize there’s no such thing as a “lock.” I use to think flash K.O.'s were the x factors but bad judging is getting more prolific.

    Almost all of my bets were picking the winners of a fight. Now I’m expanding a bit and adding in how long the fight goes. Some fights it’ll be very predictable whether that it’ll go to a decision.

    Worst bets: Bet on Alves vs. Fitch, Bet on Mir against Carwin, Any bet against Joey Beltran (Rolles Gracie, Tim Hague)

    Best bets: Edgar over Penn in 2nd fight, Shogun vs. Machida in 2nd fight, Jim Miller vs. Olivera, Maynard vs. Florian, Okami vs. Marquardt

    Stay away from matches that are gambles - How will Shogun's knee surgery affect his Cardio? What's JDS ground game like?

    Real life effects on fighters - As soon as I heard Dan Lauzon got kicked out of his own training camp by his brother, I put money on Efrain Escudero because I knew the odds would sway.

    Look at the weigh ins for weight cut diasters – This is a nice opportunity. Some guys are DRAINED when it comes to weight ins. One that comes to mind were Irvin vs. Sakara. As soon as I saw how terrible Irvin looked, I put money on Sakara. Another one that comes to mind was Dustin Hazelett’s cut to lightweight, losing to Bocek. Also Jake Shields performed really bad even though he won.

    Dealing with emotions - Sometimes if I'll have a really bad event or streak and try to make it up by gambling more in the next event. Just gotta realize it's part of the game. Best way to make it up is to not lose more!

    Fighters I will never bet on again: Joe Stevenson, Gonzaga

    I’m aiming for +30 units this year. Some + factors for 2011

    - More knowledge of fighters. most of the bets I have are for the "known" fighters so I'm looking forward to knowing more of the lesser names.
    - Experience of 2010
    - This forum. Only had MMA_Scientist's analysis of fights to look at, so it's definitely nice to have everyone's opinion to look at either.

    Thanks for reading!
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  • MMA_scientist
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2009
    • 9857

    #2
    Re: Thoughts from my first year of MMA gambling!

    Good stuff, and nice work on the + return.

    I agree on most of your learning experiences. One thing you mention is hype vs real deal type fights. I bet and lost a lot on these types of fights. I usually bet against the prospect (against Jon Jones vs. Vera, against Bader v. Nog). I think it is best just to stay away until you feel you have a grasp on the skills of the fighter against competition.

    The emotional ride is the hardest thing for me.

    Add Brandon Vera and Jardine to your list of fighters to never bet on again.

    One other thing I have noticed is that sometimes you can find a fighter that is consistently undervalued and just play them until everyone else catches on. I have been hammering Paixao this year. I also bet Dos Anjos pretty hard several times (Dos Anjos over Etim was probably one of mt best plays this year). Guys that fly under the radar but keep winning. Hallman was one of those guys too... I kept saying he had value in every fight this year, but never did bet him.

    Anyway, on to 2011
    2012: +19.33
    2012 Parlay project: +16.5u

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    • Mr. IWS
      215 Hustler
      • Sep 2006
      • 98673

      #3
      Re: Thoughts from my first year of MMA gambling!

      Hell of a year man. Nice job.

      Looks like you were right there with us on a lot of stuff. Rolles, Beltran, Pudz.
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      • MMA_scientist
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2009
        • 9857

        #4
        Re: Thoughts from my first year of MMA gambling!

        yeah, I am with you on the mismatches. They are free money, you have to take it. Even at -600, Couture had value. I actually believed Overeem/Rogers would be competitive (maybe even edge to Rogers). In hindsight, that was really damn silly.

        But Overeem vs Fujita/Thompson/Goodridge/Syvester? Free money. Mousasi/Goodridge? Free money. Overeem vs. whoever he fights next weekend will fall into that category. Same thing with Aoki. I am taking the free money on these showcase freakshow bets from now on. I have never seen one lose.
        2012: +19.33
        2012 Parlay project: +16.5u

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        • Ludo
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2010
          • 4931

          #5
          Re: Thoughts from my first year of MMA gambling!

          Fucking Rolles Gracie...
          2013: +8.24u(increased unit size on 5/19)
          Favorites: 20-6 + 6.13u
          Underdogs: 10-19 -2.51u
          Ludo's Locks Parlay Project: +1.4u

          2012: +20.311u

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          • Mr. IWS
            215 Hustler
            • Sep 2006
            • 98673

            #6
            Re: Thoughts from my first year of MMA gambling!

            Originally posted by MMA_scientist
            Overeem vs. whoever he fights next weekend will fall into that category.
            I lol'd
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            • Mr. IWS
              215 Hustler
              • Sep 2006
              • 98673

              #7
              Re: Thoughts from my first year of MMA gambling!

              Originally posted by LudoCain
              Fucking Rolles Gracie...
              Nuff said
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              • Ludo
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2010
                • 4931

                #8
                Re: Thoughts from my first year of MMA gambling!

                Originally posted by MMA_scientist
                yeah, I am with you on the mismatches. They are free money, you have to take it. Even at -600, Couture had value. I actually believed Overeem/Rogers would be competitive (maybe even edge to Rogers). In hindsight, that was really damn silly.

                But Overeem vs Fujita/Thompson/Goodridge/Syvester? Free money. Mousasi/Goodridge? Free money. Overeem vs. whoever he fights next weekend will fall into that category. Same thing with Aoki. I am taking the free money on these showcase freakshow bets from now on. I have never seen one lose.
                Fedor Emelienanko?
                2013: +8.24u(increased unit size on 5/19)
                Favorites: 20-6 + 6.13u
                Underdogs: 10-19 -2.51u
                Ludo's Locks Parlay Project: +1.4u

                2012: +20.311u

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                • Mr. IWS
                  215 Hustler
                  • Sep 2006
                  • 98673

                  #9
                  Re: Thoughts from my first year of MMA gambling!

                  I thought he picked Werdum to win?
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                  • MMA_scientist
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2009
                    • 9857

                    #10
                    Re: Thoughts from my first year of MMA gambling!

                    Werdum is far from a showcase fight. I did pick Werdum to win, fwiw. But Werdum is and has been top 10 for at least 4 years. That is not a freakshow/showcase fight.

                    A freakshow is Fedor vs. Choi. That was free money and should have been taken. The greatest fighter of all time versus a guy with no MMA fights and his follow up fight was against Jose Canseco... that is an absolute lock.
                    2012: +19.33
                    2012 Parlay project: +16.5u

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                    • edman5555
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2010
                      • 6628

                      #11
                      Re: Thoughts from my first year of MMA gambling!

                      Yeah I cashed in on Werdum. I had about 5u on him at 7 to 1. The was my best win. Then I lost a bunch on dumb bets. I suck.
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                      • Ludo
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2010
                        • 4931

                        #12
                        Re: Thoughts from my first year of MMA gambling!

                        I won on Werdum as well, I'm just saying as far as mismatches go that had to be one. Fedor had never been submitted, never even come close even when sitting in Minotauro's guard on two separate occasions going up against a guy who had a huge disadvantage in the standing portion of the fight.
                        2013: +8.24u(increased unit size on 5/19)
                        Favorites: 20-6 + 6.13u
                        Underdogs: 10-19 -2.51u
                        Ludo's Locks Parlay Project: +1.4u

                        2012: +20.311u

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                        • Luke
                          10 year vet
                          • Oct 2006
                          • 30060

                          #13
                          Re: Thoughts from my first year of MMA gambling!

                          Originally posted by MMA_scientist
                          Good stuff, and nice work on the + return.

                          I agree on most of your learning experiences. One thing you mention is hype vs real deal type fights. I bet and lost a lot on these types of fights. I usually bet against the prospect (against Jon Jones vs. Vera, against Bader v. Nog). I think it is best just to stay away until you feel you have a grasp on the skills of the fighter against competition.

                          The emotional ride is the hardest thing for me.

                          Add Brandon Vera and Jardine to your list of fighters to never bet on again.

                          Pretty sure someone on this forum has been saying this for over a year now
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                          • Luke
                            10 year vet
                            • Oct 2006
                            • 30060

                            #14
                            Re: Thoughts from my first year of MMA gambling!

                            Originally posted by LudoCain
                            Originally posted by MMA_scientist
                            yeah, I am with you on the mismatches. They are free money, you have to take it. Even at -600, Couture had value. I actually believed Overeem/Rogers would be competitive (maybe even edge to Rogers). In hindsight, that was really damn silly.

                            But Overeem vs Fujita/Thompson/Goodridge/Syvester? Free money. Mousasi/Goodridge? Free money. Overeem vs. whoever he fights next weekend will fall into that category. Same thing with Aoki. I am taking the free money on these showcase freakshow bets from now on. I have never seen one lose.
                            Fedor Emelienanko?

                            Lashley ?
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                            • Luke
                              10 year vet
                              • Oct 2006
                              • 30060

                              #15
                              Re: Thoughts from my first year of MMA gambling!

                              Best bet of the year : Hopkins +3000 draw

                              Worst bet of the year : Brock -140 over cain
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