2011 Off topic thread(basketball,movies,etc whatever)

[Mr. IWS]

Since you can't move anymore, that is probably the reason why you have been updating the adult section that much in the last 2 days. I wish you would be sick more often so there could be more pictures and gifs updated ;)

lol, exactly what I have been doing.

[SPX]

I destroyed my back yesterday doing of all things...............buttoning my pants.

I was literally screaming driving home last night, and have been laying on my floor since 6pm yesterday. This is by far the worst pain I have ever been in. I cant even get up to go to the bathroom. I been pissing in a cup, and by the grace of God, I have not had to take a shit.

I'm already in hot water at work for some shit that has been going on the last couple weeks, and they need me in there to clean up some messes, and after they told me that, I am laying on my floor playing on IWS.

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Damn, dude! Sorry to hear that! That sucks!

What the fuck happened? Is this a regular thing for you?

[edman5555]

Sorry Zak

[edman5555]

Why. It is a 3 round fight. Anything can happen. You have nice odds on both sides. If you think that Junior's wrestling is straight up trash then load up on Lesnar. if you think Lesnar is no longer the bully, and is scared shitless of getting hit(the right train of thought) then load up on Junior.

Well we don't know how Brock will respond to getting hit by Junior. Probably not that well, but he could come out improved from his last appearance. If anything is going to get him sparring more in the gym, its getting his ass kicked by Cain the way he did.

Juniors wrestling is definetly a mystery at this point. We have not seen him defend a takedown from anyone with solid wrestling.

Brocks win over Heath Herring is actually a good example of his wrestling ability...It was his third pro fight and he had no ama career. Herring had over 40 pro fights at the time and Brock beat him by outwrestling him for 3 rounds. I really don't get your reference there. He is an NCAA D1 Champ btw.

[edman5555]

Junior can obv catch him with a punch and knock him out but I don't see why Brock can't muscle him to the canvas. This is far from a "lock" bet for Junior.

[SPX]

Hopefully Brock's strategy to learn to deal with JDS's punches is to have three men stand in front of him and strike him repeatedly in the face with baseball bats.

If he can do that, then he'll be fine.

[SPX]

Junior can obv catch him with a punch and knock him out but I don't see why Brock can't muscle him to the canvas. This is far from a "lock" bet for Junior.

You're contradicting yourself.

You say that JDS's wrestling is a mystery, and then you say you don't see why Brock can't muscle him down, like you know something about JDS's wrestling.

Which is it?

[sbjj]

Well we don't know how Brock will respond to getting hit by Junior. Probably not that well, but he could come out improved from his last appearance. If anything is going to get him sparring more in the gym, its getting his ass kicked by Cain the way he did.

Juniors wrestling is definetly a mystery at this point. We have not seen him defend a takedown from anyone with solid wrestling.

Brocks win over Heath Herring is actually a good example of his wrestling ability...It was his third pro fight and he had no ama career. Herring had over 40 pro fights at the time and Brock beat him by outwrestling him for 3 rounds. I really don't get your reference there. He is an NCAA D1 Champ btw.

You know who else took Herring down and controlled him(to a greater extent the Lesnar). Jake O'brien. Herrings wrestling is straight horrible. Sure, Lesnar has awsome wrestling credentials. But at some point your skills diminish. I just do not believe that Lesnar's wrestling is as freakish as many do. i think his shot is telegraphed. And his fear of getting hit will make it even more telegraphed. And I(and no one) ever said this fight is a lock. But IMO Brock has to fight a damn near perfect fight. And IMO, he does not have the mental toughness to fight a perfect fight at this stage of his fighting career.

[sbjj]

You're contradicting yourself.

You say that JDS's wrestling is a mystery, and then you say you don't see why Brock can't muscle him down, like you know something about JDS's wrestling.

Which is it?

Every fighter he has faced knew going in that if they stayed standing they were dust. And yet he has been taken down ONE time by Gonzaga, and he was back up in less than a second. The takedown by Gonzaga was actually a VERY good takedown attempt, but JDS showed very good movement. Lesnar will not be able to set up his takedowns with any standup. So he will be reduced to shooting in from way outside. And JDS has a VERY good uppercut. Real bad combination for Brock IMO.

[Ludo]

Despite every fighter knowing what to expect with Junior him not being taken down isn't a mystery. Gonzaga was not exactly been a takedown artist in the UFC. Not to mention Junior hasn't had to face anyone with any real legit wrestling credentials at all. Brock will most certainly be the toughest takedown threat Junior has ever faced. When you spend most of your career in Brazil your not going to fight a slew of wrestlers.

[sbjj]

Despite every fighter knowing what to expect with Junior him not being taken down isn't a mystery. Gonzaga was not exactly been a takedown artist in the UFC. Not to mention Junior hasn't had to face anyone with any real legit wrestling credentials at all. Brock will most certainly be the toughest takedown threat Junior has ever faced. When you spend most of your career in Brazil your not going to fight a slew of wrestlers.

Gonzaga actually has(had) pretty good takedowns. He took Carwin down. It was JDS's quick action right back up to his feet that impressed me.

Everyone keeps talking about the mysteries of this fight. Lets talk about the known facts of this fight. Brock HATES getting hit. And JDS can hit pretty hard. Once again, Brock pretty much has to fight a perfect disciplined fight. Good luck with that when in the back of his mind he is worrying about having his face rearranged.

[edman5555]

I think he took Carwin down after he broke his nose IIRC. That changes the dynamics of the takedown, Carwin was stunned at the time.

[edman5555]

Gonzaga could not take down Schaub also. His takedown attempts in that fight were kind of sad to watch. He looked like Paulo Filho out there.

[sbjj]

Gonzaga could not take down Schaub also. His takedown attempts in that fight were kind of sad to watch. He looked like Paulo Filho out there.

But just like Gonzaga. Filho at a certain time had good takedowns. But fighters change(get better, get worse). Gonzaga was a broken man at the time he fought Schaub.

Bottom line, if I bet this fight. I am not going to bet the mystery of it. I am going to bet what I know. And that is that Brock seems to be scared to death of fighting since he took those first hard shots from Carwin. I doubt he goes into this fight 100% there. And I doubt he follows the kind of gameplan he needs to win this fight. Seriously, he is not going to be setting his takedowns up with strikes. He will more than likely be scared to engage at all, and shoot from way outside. If JDS stuffs a takedown or gets right up...Game over, there is no plan B for Lesnar.

[poopoo333]

If JDS stuffs a takedown or gets right up...Game over, there is no plan B for Lesnar.

Agreed. Lesnar will break mentally if this happens.