2011 Off topic thread(basketball,movies,etc whatever)

[SPX]

Kimo's a good example, though. I think he had almost no training before UFC 3. He was just a big, tough, dude. And Gary Goodridge had some success even though his only serious background was in arm wrestling. (He had something like a couple months training in boxing and a couple months of Kuk-Sool-Won.)

Is that true? For some reason I thought Kimo was a trained fighter.

Well Jennum had trained with Robert Bussey, Hackney was a kenpo guy, Benateu was a judoka and wrestler, and Pat Smith was a kickboxer.

[Svino]

Is that true? For some reason I thought Kimo was a trained fighter.

I think so. The PPV had him listed as being trained in TKD, but IIRC, he just completely made that up so they would let him in.

My favorite old-school fighter was Remco Pardoel. He was just so unbelievably casual and soft-spoken. Not bad by the standards of the era either, only lost to Royce and Ruas, and he gave Ruas a really hard time.

[zY|]

LOL speaking of Goodridge, do you guys remember when he murdered Paul Herrera? Has to be one of the most brutal knockouts I've ever seen.

[Svino]

LOL speaking of Goodridge, do you guys remember when he murdered Paul Herrera? Has to be one of the most brutal knockouts I've ever seen.

Oh yeah. It was one of the first results from the early UFCs that surprised me. (Striker beating a grappler.)

Supposedly, he had some guys help him train, and they watched footage of Herrera wrestling. They noticed that he always shot in the same way, so they decided Goodridge should counter with that transition into a crucifix and had him train over and over for that exact scenario. So, it was the only grappling move he knew, but it worked perfectly just like they planned it.

[SPX]

I think so. The PPV had him listed as being trained in TKD, but IIRC, he just completely made that up so they would let him in.

I think that was common in those days. I remember reading that Gary Goodridge said--or, I think more accurately was told by the UFC to say, that he was some kind of karate black belt--when he absolutely was not.

[SPX]

Oh yeah. It was one of the first results from the early UFCs that surprised me. (Striker beating a grappler.)

Supposedly, he had some guys help him train, and they watched footage of Herrera wrestling. They noticed that he always shot in the same way, so they decided Goodridge should counter with that transition into a crucifix and had him train over and over for that exact scenario. So, it was the only grappling move he knew, but it worked perfectly just like they planned it.

That's awesome.

[Svino]

I think that was common in those days. I remember reading that Gary Goodridge said--or, I think more accurately was told by the UFC to say, that he was some kind of karate black belt--when he absolutely was not.

I think Goodridge's deal was that the guy who had basically just started training him in Kuk-Sool-Won told him that he would give him a black belt and pay his travel expenses if he agreed to wear the school's gi and advertise it in the UFC.

[SPX]

I think Goodridge's deal was that the guy who had basically just started training him in Kuk-Sool-Won told him that he would give him a black belt and pay his travel expenses if he agreed to wear the school's gi and advertise it in the UFC.

Maybe so. If true, what a shitty instructor. He disrespected his art.

I'd be interested to know the REAL stories behind all the early UFC competitors.

The only one I'm confident in is Jennum, because I actually had an RBWI video set with Robert Bussey, and Jennum was one of the guys in the vids who Bussey used to demonstrate his techniques on. If he was actually in the vids, then he had to be high in the organization, because RBWI had a lot of members. That much I know for a fact.

[MMA_scientist]

I am not a Royce fan, but diminish his opponents is ridiculous. I have heard that the brackets and drawing was rigged, and I believe that. And he definitely had some easy fights, but so did a lot of guys. It is not like they gave him the easiest fights (he didn't get to fight that ninja guy for example). But to say the guys he fought had not trained is not true. You have to remember that Royce himself is not a great bjj practitioner. I don't if you guys saw "Ultimate Gracie" when it was on Spike. He was basically a nobody, living above the garage playing video games. Rickson, Royler, Renzo... those were the guys. Supposedly, Rickson was too big and strong. He looked like he should kick your ass, and so it wouldn't be surprising for him to win. Renzo was small, but could also strike pretty well and has a top oriented game. I never heard why they did not choose Royler (who is way way way better than Royce at jj), but I suspect it was because he was too small. Royler is like 140, no way he could beat that sumo guy.

As far as training and athleticm, Shamrock had more experience in than Royce, having done Pancrase before UFC 1. All Royce had done is beat guys up in the gym. Dan Severn was a legit wrestler, a world class athlete, was at least 80 pounds heavier, and had the advantage of seeing how bjj works. Art Jimmerson was a legit professional boxer, not a champion or anything, but Jimmerson was probably higher up in the boxing world than Royce was in bjj. I think that duth kickboxer guy was a ranked professional kickboxer. Remco Pardoel was a legit judoka. These guys knew thier arts and they were all probably more athletic than Royce.

I agree that Gracies did some shady stuff in the beginning, and like I said, I don't even like Royce- I always rooted for Severn in the old days. But you can't diminish what he did. He fought bigger more powerful guys with very few rules, they all knew thier respective arts as well as Royce knew his and he finished almost all of them inside what would now be considered 2 rounds.

Kimo was a blackbelt in TKD when he fought Royce, fwiw. I also read somewhere that he was a blackbelt in japanese jj at the time.

[Luke]

Kimo was credited with a black belt in Taekwondo in his Ultimate Fighting Championship debut at UFC 3.

Come on X you should have known that



Tank Abbott was the guy with no real training correct?


Also its no surprise to me the Gracie's did a few shady things in the beginning.They put on the promotion and it was to help promote their BJJ ,its not like they thought it would ever turn into what it did

[Luke]

Damn, that's fucked up.

I really think you should have multiple accounts. At least two.

It wasnt the only book I had it was just my main book. I still have a 5dimes and thegreek account . I'll probably just put money in bookmaker again so I can have 3 again

[MMA_scientist]

Tank Abbott was the guy with no real training correct?

Tank was probably the most trained guy in the early UFC. He had years of boxing training and he was a JUCO All American wrestler.

[SPX]

Tank was probably the most trained guy in the early UFC. He had years of boxing training and he was a JUCO All American wrestler.

Murr tapped him.

[Luke]

Tank was probably the most trained guy in the early UFC. He had years of boxing training and he was a JUCO All American wrestler.

[Ludo]

Murr tapped him.

At the age of 38 and after a 4 and a half year hiatus from MMA.