2011 Off topic thread(basketball,movies,etc whatever)

[SPX]

Well I know nothing about him, but I don't like disloyal dickheads. So maybe he's a piece of shit.

On a side note, he talked a bit about how Maia is looking like shit these days and how his jiu-jitsu clearly isn't as good as it used to be since he is making beginner's mistake and hasn't subbed anyone for a while.

[MMA_scientist]

Well I know nothing about him, but I don't like disloyal dickheads. So maybe he's a piece of shit.

On a side note, he talked a bit about how Maia is looking like shit these days and how his jiu-jitsu clearly isn't as good as it used to be since he is making beginner's mistake and hasn't subbed anyone for a while.

Maia's ground game has looked a little less dominant, but look at the guys he is fighting, they are all ground specialists. I don't know what mistakes he is talking about, he has been a little sloppy at times, but I think it is due to fatigue. If Vinny could last more than 4 minutes against a decent fighter, he might be able to experience that sensation.

That's the kind of thing that pisses people off though, Maia has done everything in bjj that Vinny has done and more. And he is a much better MMA fighter, that can't even be argued. It is kind of like when he tried to talk shit about Nog's jj when he was on TUF, and then backpedal out of it.

[SPX]

Yeah. He basically said that Maia should've subbed Santiago because, even though Santiago is a black belt, he's nowhere near Maia's level in regard to BJJ.

As for the remark about Nog's BJJ, I remember he said that Nog's BJJ was "basic." Isn't that actually kind of true, though? And aren't Nog's biggest accomplishments in MMA, not BJJ?

[MMA_scientist]

^ yeah that is the explanation he gave later. I don't know if that was true or not (whether that is what he said). His accomplishments are in MMA, but where most of the world separates the two, BJJ was really intended as a complete NHB style, not as a grappling sport. The sport version came later. A lot of bjj practioners, especially the older guys, consider MMA = BJJ. Just a different training methodology.

Maia could probably have sumitted Miranda, Grove, and Santiago... but Maia understands the importance of being on top in MMA scoring. If you lose position due to a submission attempt, you could very well lose the round. He doesn't take a lot of risks for submissions these days, but that is one reason he keeps winning for the most part IMO. I do think he needs to work on his GNP some though and force these guys into positions. Santiago... Maia couldn't pass his guard, what are you going to do?

[poopoo333]

I wonder who Maia is going to fight next. Tim Kennedy maybe? I read that Tim Kennedy should be with the UFC soon.

[SPX]

Well that's just it, Vinny said that Maia couldn't pass because of "beginner's mistakes."

[MMA_scientist]

Well that's just it, Vinny said that Maia couldn't pass because of "beginner's mistakes."

He looked a little sloppy, I think he got tired. I don't know why he kept trying to do the same pass, I would have liked to see him change his passes up, but, it looked like he gassed out a little. But really, you don't know the pressure he was getting, so it is hard to tell. Santiago looked like he was holding Maia's weight pretty well with that butterfly hook, maybe he was really off balance... who knows. Maybe Santiago is really damn good, I don't know. Neither does Vinny, that's why he should STFU (I haven't heard the interview, maybe he said it in a way that was less douchey than you are making it sound).

[SPX]

Nah, he just said it matter-of-factly. Like I said, I though he came off okay in the interview.

[MMA_scientist]

I mean I don't have a problem with him giving an expert critique of his grappling in the Santiago fight, no problem. But to just come out and say he is getting worse, he is making mistakes, and he looks like shit- a blanket statement, I think that is pretty douchey. It is like when Rickson came out a few years ago and said Brock sucks. Douchey. Vinny is never going to be fighting Maia and he hasn't earned the right to go on the radio and shit on another fighter that is much better than him.

[SPX]

Well I like Maia and don't give a shit about Vinny, so I agree.

[Vandelay]

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Pretty cool teamates...

[sbjj]

^ yeah that is the explanation he gave later. I don't know if that was true or not (whether that is what he said). His accomplishments are in MMA, but where most of the world separates the two, BJJ was really intended as a complete NHB style, not as a grappling sport. The sport version came later. A lot of bjj practioners, especially the older guys, consider MMA = BJJ. Just a different training methodology.

Maia could probably have sumitted Miranda, Grove, and Santiago... but Maia understands the importance of being on top in MMA scoring. If you lose position due to a submission attempt, you could very well lose the round. He doesn't take a lot of risks for submissions these days, but that is one reason he keeps winning for the most part IMO. I do think he needs to work on his GNP some though and force these guys into positions. Santiago... Maia couldn't pass his guard, what are you going to do?

Bingo, I think Maia was just scared of losing an advantageous position. Which in all actuality is pretty smart. I had money on Maia and the last thing I wanted to see him do is go for a submission and lose position to Santiago.

One thing that disappointed me in that fight was that Maia seemed to regress with his striking. his standup looked better in the Miller and Munoz fights.

[SPX]

^ yeah that is the explanation he gave later. I don't know if that was true or not (whether that is what he said). His accomplishments are in MMA, but where most of the world separates the two, BJJ was really intended as a complete NHB style, not as a grappling sport. The sport version came later. A lot of bjj practioners, especially the older guys, consider MMA = BJJ. Just a different training methodology.

I don't get how they could ever feel like BJJ is a complete no-holds-barred fighting style when virtually no attention is paid to striking skills. Did they feel like grappling and submissions would always be enough to get them by? Could they not foresee the day when fighters with good striking and the ability to avoid takedowns would appear on the scene?

[SPX]

One thing that disappointed me in that fight was that Maia seemed to regress with his striking. his standup looked better in the Miller and Munoz fights.

I noticed that, too. More like K-2 Maia.

[sbjj]

I don't get how they could ever feel like BJJ is a complete no-holds-barred fighting style when virtually no attention is paid to striking skills. Did they feel like grappling and submissions would always be enough to get them by? Could they not foresee the day when fighters with good striking and the ability to avoid takedowns would appear on the scene?

I think some of the die hard old school BJJ artists thought they really did not need striking. Hell, they could just flop on their back and tell the other guy come and get me. Bottom line, if I ever have my daughter in a self defense class because she NEEDS it(you know, being bullied and such) it would be BJJ. I was in TKD for years, Boxed for years, wrestled in HS, and then took 6 months of BJJ. I think there is no comparison when it come to straight self defense. BJJ wins hands down IMO.