UFC 129 toronto GSP-Shields

[Vandelay]

Shields attains mount in almost every one of his fights. I actually cant remember the last time he didnt get mount. He is extremely good at improving his position.

[zY|]

Shields attains mount in almost every one of his fights. I actually cant remember the last time he didnt get mount. He is extremely good at improving his position.

So does GSP.

[Luke]

Seems I remember you echoing similar sentiments about BJ before the Edgar fight.

Negative ghost rider ,I was the only one not on BJ in either fight


InB4poopooSAYSheWASNTeither

[SPX]

BTW pretty sure I was the only one giving Frankie a chance before UFC 112.

I had a bet on Frankie and lobbied pretty hard for him.

[zY|]

I had a bet on Frankie and lobbied pretty hard for him.

Probably talked you into it.

[SPX]

Negative ghost rider ,I was the only one not on BJ in either fight


InB4poopooSAYSheWASNTeither

So you thought Edgar would beat BJ?

Besides, you not being on a fight when the line on the favorite was -600 is not uncommon. It doesn't necessarily mean that you had some super-special feeling about Edgar.

[SPX]

Probably talked you into it.

You're trying to piss me off now.

[Luke]

So you thought Edgar would beat BJ?

Besides, you not being on a fight when the line on the favorite was -600 is not uncommon. It doesn't necessarily mean that you had some super-special feeling about Edgar.

Actually I just looked at the UFC 112 thread and I didnt have a single thing to say about Penn-Edgar. I was on Hughes over Renzo in that event .

I didnt say I thought Edgar was going to win but I sure as heck wasnt praising Penn as a god like most people were

[Luke]

Probably talked you into it.

Pretty sure I just read that in the UFC 112 thread.

[SPX]

. . . I sure as heck wasnt praising Penn as a god like most people were

But Penn IS a god.

[Vandelay]

So does GSP.

GSP does not get mount very often. he prefers to stay in guard, half-guard and side control. Off the top of my head, he didn't get mount against penn and fitch and didn't hold it very long if he got it on hardy and alves. Koscheck fight was a standup fight.

[zY|]

He mounted Fitch, but w/e, you're right. Point being though, GSP shreds guards.

[Vandelay]

I'm just trying to prove that Shields is capable of holding down GSP when hes not gassed.

[edman5555]

I am starting to think Shields will put up more of a fight than I orginally figured but I can't see putting a bet on him. His standup is basically non existent. He will have to out wrestle GSP. Thats what it comes down to. He can't sub him if he can't get him down and he can't win a decision striking. He's a tough kid, Hendo hit him hard and he rebounded. He's a great wrestler/grappler, he controlled Hendo. He beat Yushin Okami. The only problem is George is the wrestler killer. He demolished Fitch, destroyed Koscheck, and beat hughes. I honestly don't know where he stands against them as a wrestler/grappler. It's hard to call. I guess we should consider him a better wrestler than all of them for arguments sake but how much does that amount to? They were barely competitive. On top of that, he looked like shit against Kampmann. I expect him to be much better for this fight but will he be on par with GSP in terms of conditioning/strength? He gassed after R1 in his last fight. I know it was from the weight cut/shift to 170 but it still might have an effect. Who knows, maybe not. Either way this is a bad match up for Jake.

[Mr. IWS]

See nothing would change you minds . You'd still think BJ is the best 155 pounder in the world had he got his ass beat by Edgar

He is...................When he is motivated.