UFC 131 JDS vs Carwin

[edman5555]

I'll also say this: From what we've seen, it looks to me like Brock's striking is a lot shittier than JDS's wrestling.

Good one.

[edman5555]

Given how Brock takes punches, and how JDS delivers them, this is not a great matchup for Brock. I seriously doubt he keeps JDS down for long if he gets it there. And once JDS gets up Brock's confidence will drop significantly.

Do you think that Brock might come back a little stronger from this? I mean he has gotten his ass kicked standing twice in a row. The first time he came back during the fight, the second he got his ass kicked. Maybe that ass kicking will wake him up a little bit and convince him to train his standup a lot more.

Note: Brock may have never legitimately had his ass kicked in his life before he fought Cain. He has been a Monster his whole life, who would want to fight him. It isn't out of the realm of possibility.

Either way a couple of things are pretty evident. Brock can't stand with JDS or he will lose. JDS doesn't have the wrestling that Brock does. We don't know if Brock can hold JDS down.


I think we are somewhat divided on the board here. I personally think that Brock can get JDS down. What makes anyone think JDS can wrestle? It's not impossible or anything but just because Cain kicked Brock's ass it doesn't mean that Brock is can all of a sudden. He is a big ass monster of a man that can wrestle.

[Thewisemann]

Too many ??S in this fight, im staying away unless I get at least +150 on someone. I am leanig towards Brock getting him down and smashin him. I would love to see JDS KO him though.

[SPX]

What makes anyone think JDS can wrestle?

If he literally had no wrestling ability then he would've gotten outgrappled by both Gonzaga and Nelson.

Having been trained by the Nogs, he obviously has some BJJ skills. And BJJ could be seen as a form of wrestling, as it's Judo-based, and Judo is actually considered a form of wrestling.

[MMA_scientist]

If he literally had no wrestling ability then he would've gotten outgrappled by both Gonzaga and Nelson.

Having been trained by the Nogs, he obviously has some BJJ skills. And BJJ could be seen as a form of wrestling, as it's Judo-based, and Judo is actually considered a form of wrestling.

I don't think anyone is saying he has NO grappling skills. He is a brown belt in bjj and he obviously has some takedown defense. I think the question is whether his takedown defense is GREAT, which it will have to be to stop Brock from taking him down. If he gets on the ground, he is going to again have to be GREAT to out grapple Brock on the mat. There is no reason to think his takedown defense is anything other than "good" at this point. I mean, Roy couldn't get Justin Wren down either. And Gonzaga could not get Schaub down, other than that, I don't even remember him trying to take anyone down. Those are not the sternest tests of takedown defense...

So while JDS's wrestling may be better than Brock's boxing, that does not mean he should win. The question is really whether JDS's takedown defense is better than Brock's takedown offense. Because Brock is not going to stand with him, no matter what. He will clinch him, dive at ankles, he may even try to pull guard... he won't stand in front of him.

I just think JDS's ground game is still a question mark. His takedown defense is obviously good enough for most guys, but he still hasn't had to fight a wrestler.

I don't like either guy as a favorite, I would start thinking about either guy @ +150

[Thewisemann]

I don't think anyone is saying he has NO grappling skills. He is a brown belt in bjj and he obviously has some takedown defense. I think the question is whether his takedown defense is GREAT, which it will have to be to stop Brock from taking him down. If he gets on the ground, he is going to again have to be GREAT to out grapple Brock on the mat. There is no reason to think his takedown defense is anything other than "good" at this point. I mean, Roy couldn't get Justin Wren down either. And Gonzaga could not get Schaub down, other than that, I don't even remember him trying to take anyone down. Those are not the sternest tests of takedown defense...

So while JDS's wrestling may be better than Brock's boxing, that does not mean he should win. The question is really whether JDS's takedown defense is better than Brock's takedown offense. Because Brock is not going to stand with him, no matter what. He will clinch him, dive at ankles, he may even try to pull guard... he won't stand in front of him.

I just think JDS's ground game is still a question mark. His takedown defense is obviously good enough for most guys, but he still hasn't had to fight a wrestler.

I don't like either guy as a favorite, I would start thinking about either guy @ +150

I agree with you 100% scientist. JDS has good td defense, but i dont know if its good enough to stop Lesnar. And that pretty much is the key to betting this fight. I have to get +150 either way.

[poopoo333]

I also agree with scientist 100%. Being good in bjj doesn't mean you can stop a great wrestler from taking you down and controlling you. See little nog vs bader, and even nog vs brilz

[Luke]

I actually thought this line would open at -200 and was looking to get on Brock at +175 or higher.

I dont think there's any doubt Lensar is going to get JDS on the ground ,its whether he can keep him there or not is the question

[zY|]

Brock is a can. JDS by assassination.

[Luke]

Brock is a can. JDS by assassination.

So bet all you got on JDS

[zY|]

That ain't much

[SPX]

Brock is a can. JDS by assassination.

I definitely wouldn't say Brock is a can--or maybe you're trolling again--but I also don't think he has what it takes to beat the very best in the world. Mir is good, but not quite in the very top bracket. Herring's okay . . . but he got beat by Jake O'Brien for God's sake. Couture is a fine fighter, but has lost his share of fights, and is finally showing his age and was also too small to be fighting Brock. Carwin's also good--and was winning--but has a fatal flaw in the gas tank department. I mean, he literally looked like he was about to die when he came out for the second round.

You could argue that JDS also doesn't have any spectacular wins. There's Werdum, but beyond that, who's his biggest win? Nelson? But I think JDS will keep on winning.

With that said, I've been wrong plenty of times before.

[zY|]

Definitely trolling, but I agree with your assessment.

[Luke]

that ain't much

lol

[Luke]

I definitely wouldn't say Brock is a can--or maybe you're trolling again--but I also don't think he has what it takes to beat the very best in the world. Mir is good, but not quite in the very top bracket. Herring's okay . . . but he got beat by Jake O'Brien for God's sake. Couture is a fine fighter, but has lost his share of fights, and is finally showing his age and was also too small to be fighting Brock. Carwin's also good--and was winning--but has a fatal flaw in the gas tank department. I mean, he literally looked like he was about to die when he came out for the second round.

You could argue that JDS also doesn't have any spectacular wins. There's Werdum, but beyond that, who's his biggest win? Nelson? But I think JDS will keep on winning.

With that said, I've been wrong plenty of times before.

LOl even I knew he was trolling ,thats why I said bet it all on JDS