Strikeforce April 9th Diaz vs Daley

[SPX]

Anyone have an opinion on my wall of words?

I agree that Masvidal should have a chance against Noons. I'd probably even take him at +150 or better.

[Luke]

Just rewatched it . Rounds 4 and 5 were close enough bad MMA judges could have gave them both to Noons. Thats probably what I was scared of going to the cards . I know I scored it for Diaz but that doesnt mean anything when it comes to some of these judges

[Luke]

Anyone have an opinion on my wall of words?

I'm just now starting to look at this card

[Svino]

Anyone have an opinion on my wall of words?

1) I don't know about Kyle's takedowns, but I would call Mousasi's TD defense weak.

2) Daley would be crazy to ever bring this fight deliberately to the ground. The question is, how hard will Diaz try to get it there and will he be successful? I'm guessing it stays standing, but might fear of getting taken down discourage Daley from overusing the leg-kick?

[SPX]

I know Diaz's takedowns aren't the best, but Masvidal was able to take Daley down without a whole lot of problems.

Daley seems to have good TDD for a minute, but if his opponent is relentless then they will eventually get him down. If Diaz makes that his plan then I have little doubt that he will win. But who knows if that will be his plan.

[poopoo333]

Anyone have an opinion on my wall of words?

I want to know why you say it's too late to research Kawajiri when we have 2 weeks.

[trotterz]

anybody knows if Kyle has any wrestling background or anything? He is defenetely a good kickboxer but Gegard is just on another level. My only problem is that I am wondering if Kyle could take him down. Everybody here is saying that Gegard's takedown defense is super week but I don't think so. It has only been exposed by king mo who has extremely good wrestling. On the other hand, he ahs a really really good submission game and doesn't care fighting from his back.
Anyway, just wondering if anybody here knows anything about Kyle's wrestling abilities

[MMA_scientist]

Kyle does not not great wrestling, he does not come from a wrestling base or anything that I am aware of. But he is a lot bigger than Gegard, and Kyle is reasonably well rounded. Mousasi is definitely more skilled, IMO... but Kyle should be a lot bigger. I just don't know what to make of Mousasi. On one hand, he submitted Kang and KO'd Jacare... but then he looked completely disinterested against Mo. I understand that feeling, as Mo wasn't really hurting him or anything, just sort of waiting for the decision, but you have to know you are losing the fight...

[edman5555]

This is a tough one to call. I think I might be placing a bet on Nick Diaz though. I am still not sure yet.

[edman5555]

Is Nicks wrestling really that bad? I've always thought it was but that was because I have always been told it was. He likes to stand and bang and he is great off his back so I could see why he wouldn't be shooting for takedowns and wouldn't mind figthing off his back. Anything to him not looking good wrestling because he doesn't try to wrestle?

[MMA_scientist]

Daley will be relying entirely on his standup in this as well. If it touches the ground diaz can sub him pretty easy. Diaz is a good boxer with a good chin. I can see Daley winning by ko/tko or maybe even dec but it isn't worth betting on.

I think Daley's takedown defense is good enough to stuff Diaz for at least a couple rounds. Diaz probably will not come out looking for a takedown though. He wants to be a boxer now, so we will see. i personally think Daley has a good cnahce to catch him standing, but I would not be surprised to see Diaz jab him up and then finish him off later in the fight after Daley gasses out.

Beerbohm is a good all around fighter and Aoki is a wiz on the ground. This is another coin toss. If Beerbohm can avoid getting subbed he can win but Aoki is an animal with subs. No bet for me.

I am considering Beerbohm. Aoki is dangerous on the ground, but Beerbohm has very pretty good takedown defense and a great gas tank. I think Beerbohm might be able to do the same think Gil did to him.

Gegard vs Mike Kyle. This one is up in the air as well. Kyle can hit really hard and he is a lot bigger as far as I understand. Gegard did beat that kickboxer in K1 recently though. I feel like he can avoid getting caught but who knows. Also Kyle might be able to muscle him around the cage. I don't know what Gegards takedown defense is like nor do I know what Kyles takedowns are like.

I like Gegard, I do not feel it is a toss up. Kyle will be bigger, he fights at HW prettyu often, while Mousasi has fought most of his career at MW. Mousasi has not been hurt standing as far as I can remember. His weakness is his wrestling, but Kyle is not a great wrestler. He may still be able to get Gegard down, but Gegard can protect himself from bottom. That said, there is no way I would pay -350 for Gegard. MAYBE -200.

I don't know shit about Tatsuya. I'm not looking anything up. Too late for that. Melendez did beat him before though.

Kawajiri is a wrestler. He did lose to Gil in 2006, but he also recenty defeated Thompson. And he defefeated JZ Cavalcante as well. I think of JZ,Thomson, and Gil as all about the same level. He was taking Thompson down easily in their fight. So I don't know. I think Melendez is a good fighter, but I do not think for a second that he is really the #2 LW in the world. Anyway, Gil will probably win, but I can't bet it either way.

I bet Masvidal comes out as a dog and I think he has a chance. His standup is pretty good and he can land takedowns. He hung in there with Paul Daley and almost beat him.

I don't think Masvidal can take Noons down.

Diaz can even hurt Daley standing. Agree or disagree? He hung in there with KJ noons and outboxed him didn't he? I didn't see the fight..KJ is a pro boxer, probably a crappy one but still. I looked up his record, he only has 6 round fights on it. What is the deal with that? Anyways, I am picking Nick Diaz to win. He has the advantage stylistically if you ask me. I think he can probably hang on the feet with Daley and he can def win on the ground. Daley can't even shoot for a takedown in this one. He is going to be striking and only striking. Daley will have to do the guessing game where he wonders if a strike is coming or a takedown attempt. Anyways I know I just wrote a long story but let's hear your opinions..

Agree. But I still think Daley might KO him, and it is not a fight I can bet.

[edman5555]

Yeah if i can get a good line on Nick I might bet him for a little bit.

[Svino]

I am considering Beerbohm. Aoki is dangerous on the ground, but Beerbohm has very pretty good takedown defense and a great gas tank. I think Beerbohm might be able to do the same think Gil did to him.

I can see that, but then one might have said the same thing about Aoki / Kawajiri. Aoki seems like a dangerous guy to bet on or against. That little fucker has a way of looking weak and then just getting it done.

[SPX]

I can see that, but then one might have said the same thing about Aoki / Kawajiri. Aoki seems like a dangerous guy to bet on or against. That little fucker has a way of looking weak and then just getting it done.

This is what I said when I bet on him against Melendez and it ends up being the first fight he lost in forever.

[poopoo333]

http://www.mmafighting.com/2011/03/31/mike-kyle-withdraws-from-gegard-mousasi-fight/

Mike Kyle Withdraws From Gegard Mousasi Fight